Lorraine Thorpe Video

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9 secondsthey should be the most innocent members of society but children can be capable of

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15 secondsthe most sadistic premeditated and brutal murders they beat him and hit him with a

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23 secondsbottle one of them stabbed J straight through the heart what drives these kids to kill men women friends

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32 secondsfamily she was determined that her mother had to die even their teachers this was the first occasion

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40 secondsupon which a teacher had been killed in class in the course of conducting a lesson could they be born evil he did

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48 secondshave a weird dark sense of humor he was a little bit different to most of the other kids he was aggressive threatening

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56 secondsand dangerous or are they victims of their environment there was a lot of gangs

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1 minute, 3 secondsthere was a lot of violence a lot of drug abusers with exceptional access to real police

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1 minute, 11 secondstapes the voes are talking to me you need to make a sacrifice so we’re going to come and get you you need to do it and interviews with those closest to the

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1 minute, 19 secondsvictims and the perpetrators a Red Mist had simply descended

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1 minute, 30 secondswe reveal what made them such Savage

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1 minute, 46 secondskillers in this case we examin two violent murders within the murky Street drinking community of ipswitch she had a

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1 minute, 54 secondscheese greater po to her face he had been smothered they put salt in her wounds to make the pain even more

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2 minutes, 2 secondsexcruciating there was a trainer print found on his forehead and the shocking Revelation that one of the individuals

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2 minutes, 10 secondsresponsible was 15-year-old Lorraine Thorp the daughter of the second victim and she went around and help kill her

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2 minutes, 17 secondsfather that just goes to say what sort of girl she was but what turned a happy outgoing

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2 minutes, 25 secondsyoung girl who doted on her father into his killer and Britain’s youngest ever a female double murderer to

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2 minutes, 35 secondsdate ipswitch one of Britain’s oldest Market towns famous for its quaint tutor lanes and

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2 minutes, 42 secondsarchitecture but in the summer of 2009 it would provide the backdrop to a murder case that would shock the nation

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2 minutes, 50 secondswhen the gruesome details were revealed in

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2 minutes, 58 secondscourt I was appointed as the senior investigating officer into the suspected murder

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3 minutes, 6 secondsinvestigation local police were called to rosn Hunt’s home address in ipswitch on a Sunday morning after a neighbor had

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3 minutes, 15 secondsnot seen her for a little while and had become concerned rosalin also known as Rosie

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3 minutes, 22 secondswas a 41-year-old woman living alone in ipswitch rlin was my youngest sister what I remember back Rosie growing up as

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3 minutes, 31 secondsa little girl she was always playful and you know cheerful little kid used to sort of like bunk of school a lot her

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3 minutes, 39 secondsand me other sister would always sort of like find a deric house and sort of like pretend that was theirs put Furniture in

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3 minutes, 46 secondsit where they got the furniture on just beyond me but put curtains up and just pretend that was their little

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3 minutes, 53 secondshouse but by 2009 rosalin was suffering from acute alcohol addiction have separated from her husband she was

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4 minutes, 1 secondliving in a council flat and had fallen into the ipsr street drinking Community late on the morning of Sunday

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4 minutes, 10 secondsthe 9th of August police made a forced entry into roslin’s address on Victoria Street it was quite close to the office

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4 minutes, 18 secondswithin walking distance so I went straight there as a young reporter there were forensic officers there the area

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4 minutes, 25 secondswas taped off all of the windows of this property were open which was a fair indication that a body had been discovered and it may have been there

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4 minutes, 33 secondsfor some time she was lying clothed on the mattress in the bedroom of the property partly covered by a

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4 minutes, 42 secondsduv whenever we attend a crime scene we go from door to door in the local area um and we try to speak to neighbors and

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4 minutes, 50 secondsideally Hit Upon people who knew the victim neighbors were complimentary she seemed to be a very well-liked person

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5 minutesher body showed numerous injuries around the chest and abdominal area there were nine separate ribs that were found to

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5 minutes, 7 secondshave been broken and the indications were that she was alive at the time that those injuries occurred for me looking

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5 minutes, 15 secondsat this case the level of brutality is really interesting is really significant the level of injuries the torturous type

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5 minutes, 23 secondsactivity that is evident suggests whoever did this is expressing a huge amount of anger and is almost out of

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5 minutes, 41 secondscontrol I got a call from my mother saying uh my sister had been found

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5 minutes, 49 secondsdead later I got another call saying she’d been murdered they just Beat It To

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5 minutes, 56 secondsDeath when I found out my sister had been gone don’t feel with that CU that broke my

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6 minutes, 9 secondsheart the discovery less than 24 hours later would Elevate the subsequent trial into one of the UK’s most notorious

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6 minutes, 17 secondscases of double murder a second body had been discovered virtually the day after and in fairly close proximity our

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6 minutes, 26 secondssuspicions of course when that happens is that they’re in some way linked the body of Desmond Thorp was found lying on a

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6 minutes, 33 secondssofa the method with which desz Thor was killed was smothered with a

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6 minutes, 40 secondscushion the events really started to then overtake our early investigative inquiries in relation to Rosland Hunt’s

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6 minutes, 50 secondsmurder it was clear to the police from the outset that the murders of rosalin hunt and Desmond Thorp were closely

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6 minutes, 57 secondsconnected they were both members of the Ipswich Street drinking community and were known to be friends additionally both bodies were

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7 minutes, 5 secondsfound within two miles of one another in Northwest Ipswich the level of violence in this case and the ferocity involved would

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7 minutes, 14 secondshave suggested to the police early on that the victim would have known their perpetrator there was a wealth of

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7 minutes, 21 secondsevidence coming in from within that group and people on the periphery of that group that Roslin was or Rosie hunt was being subjected to regular

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7 minutes, 30 secondsphysical assaults from the earli stages of the investigation the same names kept coming up 41 year-old Paul Clark and

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7 minutes, 39 secondsshockingly a 15-year-old girl Lorraine Thorp the daughter of the second victim we quickly identified that Paul

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7 minutes, 48 secondsClark and Lorraine Thorp had been at that address certainly we believed at the time when Desman thought was deceased but they had left the premises

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7 minutes, 57 secondsprior to the emergency services arriv in the morning of Monday the 10th of August the decision was taken that we

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8 minutes, 6 secondswould formally arrest both Paul Clark and Lorraine Thorp on suspicion of the murders of rosin hunt and Desmond Thorp

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8 minutes, 15 secondsin my experience I’ve not seen this level of violence these type of injuries

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8 minutes, 22 secondsenacted by a 15-year-old girl usually in cases like this they will partake in some violence maybe on the the

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8 minutes, 31 secondsborderline in some way but to be actively involved in such torturous activity is incredibly

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8 minutes, 44 secondsrare on the 10th of August 2009 police arrested two individuals on suspicion of committing double murder one of them was

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8 minutes, 53 secondsLorraine Thorp just 15 and the daughter of the second victim understand understanding how a young girl came to be part of such a

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9 minutes, 1 secondbrutal sequence of events would become a key part of her trial for double murder I think I can definitely say that over the 30 years of my police career this

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9 minutes, 10 secondswould be one of the most shocking cases I’ve dealt

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9 minutes, 16 secondswith Lorraine thorp’s early years were relatively stable she grew up with her parents and

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9 minutes, 23 secondsthree siblings on clar Gate Lane a leafy Suburban Street in South Ipswich there is an understanding that she had

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9 minutes, 31 secondsADHD but she was on medication for her ADHD her friends said that she was outgoing and friendly and kind

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9 minutes, 39 secondsgirl but then we get to this critical period in 2006 when the family breaks down Lorraine’s parents separated when

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9 minutes, 48 secondsshe was 12 or 13 and at that point her whole life changes 12-year-old girls are going

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9 minutes, 57 secondsthrough a critical point they going through changes emotionally they’re going through puberty and their brain is

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10 minutes, 4 secondsentering the biggest growth spurt that happens to a child so at the point that she’s going through all these changes

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10 minutes, 11 secondsher life is shattered she is then put into care she’s then gone back to her mother then migrated to stay with her

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10 minutes, 20 secondsfather DE after the breakup Lorraine’s father descended into a turbulent and unstable

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10 minutes, 29 secondsexist existence of semi homelessness and alcoholism

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10 minutes, 37 secondsyou typical Street Drinker Dez was a typical Street Drinker yeah nice fell got a bit loud and Ry only had a few babies but was armless basically

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10 minutes, 45 secondsharmless IP has quite a well-known Street drinking culture any one time there’s probably about a dozen individuals at least on the streets of I

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10 minutes, 54 secondsand there is a hierarchy within that culture mixed up with the nature of alcohol it was very aggressive

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11 minutes, 1 secondenvironment to be a part of by the age of 14 Lorraine was spending most of her time living in this environment with her

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11 minutes, 9 secondsfather they look at it like it’s a family and most of the time it is a family cuz they look after each other they do look after each other they do but you always get certain people in the

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11 minutes, 17 secondsfamily that are there they use they abuse social services did try to intervene where Lorraine was

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11 minutes, 25 secondsconcerned she was clearly very headstrong and was certainly not compant she was temporarily removed from

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11 minutes, 33 secondsthat group but then of her own valtion then put herself back into that situation again and and this was what was going on over the months leading up

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11 minutes, 41 secondsto the murder her father as he became more of an alcoholic and his health deteriorated

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11 minutes, 48 secondsthe rain Thorp had to give him more and more care so Not only was she being impacted by his alcoholism and his

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11 minutes, 55 secondsbehavior but now her whole life was dedicated to carrying for her father when she was supposed to be living her years Lorraine was said to have really

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12 minutes, 4 secondsdoted on her father it was said that she more or less had to carry him around and and bathe him the effects of caring for

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12 minutes, 13 secondsan alcoholic parent at such a young age is going to be significantly harmful for a

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12 minutes, 20 secondschild the rain and her father it seems lived a very chaotic lifestyle moving from place to place

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12 minutes, 29 secondssofa surfing even living rough at this point line Thorp was spending all her time with these drunk

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12 minutes, 38 secondshomeless males and what she learns from these individuals is continual lack of No

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12 minutes, 45 secondsBoundaries violence there was a lot of violence between the males inappropriate behavior dishonesty drinking she’s

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12 minutes, 53 secondslearning how to be socially unacceptable she’s not learning the things that a child should be learning she’s learning

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13 minuteseverything what you don’t want your child to be another member of the drinking group

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13 minutes, 7 secondswas the first murder victim rosalin hunt rosalin was I suppose fortunate enough to be able to claim benefits and she had

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13 minutes, 15 secondsher own stable accommodation she had a flat in it switch and it seems that she was rather taken advantage of by members

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13 minutes, 22 secondsof the community with which he mixed Rosaline and her ex-husband had remained on good terms

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13 minutes, 29 secondshe’d last seen her about a month before her death when he found 10 or more of the ipswitch street drinkers in her Lounge concerned he asked if she needed

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13 minutes, 38 secondshelp getting them to leave but she insisted it was all right that property was just regularly used as somewhere to

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13 minutes, 45 secondsstay either with or without her agreement ex-serviceman Paul Clark was the ring leader of this group and well

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13 minutes, 53 secondsknown to rosalin he was in his 40s and came from a disadvantaged and troubled backg ground used to drink a lot a lotan

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14 minutes, 1 secondI like a b but B Paul Clark was a particularly nasty

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14 minutes, 8 secondsperson he had a history of violence and low-level crime he liked to brag about his time in the Army but now ruled over

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14 minutes, 17 secondsipswich’s Street drinking Community with fear and intimidation Paul Clark was very much a

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14 minutes, 26 secondsbully very much ative individual and very much an individual that people were wary of we can see similarities in this group to like gang culture where you

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14 minutes, 34 secondshave vulnerable people that collect together as a unit and what you see then that happens is they have a dominant person that often takes leadership of

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14 minutes, 42 secondsthat group and will use things like isolation manipulation aggressiveness violence to control that group when

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14 minutes, 49 secondsLorraine and her father met Paul Clark he quickly became a role model for her he became almost the father figure that

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14 minutes, 57 secondsDez sadly might not not have been able to provide for her but then she starts following his

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15 minutes, 6 secondsbehavior she’s drinking alcohol

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15 minutes, 13 secondsnow and alcohol on a young teenager’s brain is going to cause

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15 minutes, 24 secondsdamage she should have been at school is what she should have been at school but she wasn’t she was Street drinking doing drugs hang around with

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15 minutes, 33 secondsthaty she soon stopped going to school alog together and had also stopped taking the medication she needed for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

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15 minutes, 42 secondsor ADHD unmedicated ADHD has a devastating effect if a child has a diagnosis of

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15 minutes, 50 secondsADHD and they stop taking the medication they’ll see an increase of all of the symptoms the inattention the hyperactive

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15 minutes, 58 secondsBehavior the irritability as well there is a link between ADHD and aggressiveness particularly if it’s

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16 minutes, 6 secondsnon-medicated so all these factors combined are going to affect her decision making her consequential

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16 minutes, 14 secondsthinking that certainly will have an impact the exact nature of 15-year-old

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16 minutes, 21 secondsLorraine’s relationship with 41-year-old Paul Clark was subject to intense speculation clearly people were

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16 minutes, 29 secondsconcerned was there any form of sexual relationship that was denied by both of them during the course of the

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16 minutes, 44 secondsinquiry all the factors combined in this case her her background her ADHD which is now unmedicated her caring for her

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16 minutes, 53 secondsfather the alcohol the fact that they haven’t got a home to live in makes her a very vulnerable person and at that

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17 minutespoint she’s obsessed with Paul Clark and he’s able to take complete control of her she was lost a lost sheep and she

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17 minutes, 9 secondswas following what she thought was a Shepherd that well was a wolf really in the leadup to the murders

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17 minutes, 18 seconds15-year-old Lorraine Thorp had been staying with Clark at the home of rosalin hunt at some point there was a spark which would light the touch paper

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17 minutes, 27 secondsfor one of the most brutal and prolonged murders ever witnessed in ipswitch the reason came up in court my

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17 minutes, 36 secondsmy sister russling was attacked and tortured over the allegations of her

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17 minutes, 44 secondskick and Pa Clark’s dog she had taken Paul Clark’s dog into the town center of ipswitch and the dog

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17 minutes, 52 secondshad either bitten or attempted to bite a child and as a result of that the dog had been chest ized by Rosie so she

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18 minutes, 2 secondskicked her or pulled her or yanked her back by the chain and someone had gone running back and told Paul Clark about

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18 minutes, 10 secondsthis rosalin feeling scared for her safety sought Refuge with Lorraine’s father Dez she was staying around there

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18 minutes, 18 secondsbecause she was too scared to go back into her own flat but Paul Clark sent Lon Fort Brown

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18 minutes, 27 secondsto try and convince her to leave everything would be all right so

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18 minutes, 33 secondsmy sister stupidly believed her I went and line thought that’s exactly the traits and the qualities that she’d been

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18 minutes, 42 secondstaught by this nomadic alcoholic group that she’d been living with so she was very manipulative and she used that to

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18 minutes, 51 secondsbe able to entice rosin back to the flat and that’s when I believe all all the

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18 minutes, 57 secondstorturing started after that

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19 minutes, 8 secondstime in the summer of 2009 ipswitch was the location of one of the most infamous double homicides in British

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19 minutes, 16 secondshistory on the 2nd of August the first murder victim rosalin hunt was persuaded by 15-year-old Lorraine Thorp to go with

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19 minutes, 24 secondsher Lorraine led her to Paul Clark’s flat in Mount baton Court where rosalin’s terrible ordeal

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19 minutes, 32 secondsbegan we identified a number of witnesses that suggested she had been systematically abused and in fact held

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19 minutes, 40 secondsagainst her will we learned that Paul Clark and Lorraine Thorp were engaged in an attack

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19 minutes, 49 secondswhich involved the use of a cheese grater on Roslin skin an electric fan being held up

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19 minutes, 58 secondsagainst her face which didn’t have its safety guard on and also being beaten with a dog

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20 minutes, 7 secondschain it was a repeated and sustained attack and the pair of them began the attack they went away they came back it

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20 minutes, 16 secondslasted for days it was hard to imagine what the state of her mind must have been in

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20 minutes, 25 secondsthose days that she was held in Paul Clark’s flat she was put in a

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20 minutes, 32 secondssuitcase they burnt her hair she was basically used as a punch back she laughed about the level of

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20 minutes, 40 secondsviolence they used against rosin hunt they literally rubbed salt into her

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20 minutes, 50 secondswounds when analyzing line THS behavior and her part in this her life was falling to bits she had no control and

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20 minutes, 59 secondsthen she’s in a situation where she’s given control over somebody else and that would have been so addictive to her

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21 minutes, 8 secondscuz suddenly she feels a sense of control that she hasn’t had in years on the afternoon of the 4th of August

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21 minutes, 16 secondsLorraine Thorp and Paul Clark move rosalin hunt back to her home in Victoria Street arousing some

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21 minutes, 24 secondssuspicion we learned that would have been perhaps a a day or two into the attack that a neighbor had reported

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21 minutes, 31 secondsconcerns having heard a commotion screaming swearing from that

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21 minutes, 39 secondsproperty there certainly was a call on or around the 4th of August to the

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21 minutes, 46 secondsaddress when police attended there was no reply now rosalin was in the flat very

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21 minutes, 55 secondsprobably lying on a mattress badly in injured the decision to leave the scene without further investigation would

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22 minutes, 3 secondsprove a missed opportunity to save her both officers were disciplined should they have entered the property by force

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22 minutes, 12 secondsis difficult to say line Thorp told friends that she’d stamped on Rosie’s head and appeared to

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22 minutes, 20 secondsRevel in the fact she bragged about the level of violence she bragged about the fact that she still was alive and they went back

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22 minutes, 28 secondsand beat her again there were so many opportunities for her to realize what she’d done to try and get out of that

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22 minutes, 35 secondssituation but she didn’t the duo made a final trip to the Victoria Street property taking sleeping pills with them

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22 minutes, 43 secondswith the intention of making rosalin’s death look like

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22 minutes, 52 secondssuicide she was forced to swallow drugs that they had acquired from someone else and I

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22 minutes, 59 secondsjust beat it to death on the morning of the 9th of August after a second alert from a

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23 minutes, 6 secondsneighbor local police forced entry to rosalin’s property having noticed flies at a broken window early indication at the scene was

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23 minutes, 15 secondsthat she had probably been deceased for a little while possibly a number of days as some early decomposition of the body

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23 minutes, 23 secondswas present whenever we attend a live crime scene as report our job is to get as much information as

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23 minutes, 31 secondswe possibly can we certainly started to pick up

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23 minutes, 38 secondsdetails the pathologist turned the injuries as very significant blunt trauma that taken together were

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23 minutes, 45 secondsresponsible for her death lorine Thorp is now completely under Paul Clark’s

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23 minutes, 53 secondsspell before the ink was dry on the headlines reporting the barbaric t torture and killing of Roselyn hunt this

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24 minutes, 1 secondcase would become a double murder the second no less heinous than the first so we now have a situation where Paul Clark

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24 minutes, 9 secondsand line Thorp have murdered rosn hunt because of the Potential Threat to the end of this existence their relationship

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24 minutes, 17 secondsand then the next threat is her own father Lorraine bragged to friends about what she’d done to rosalin hunt and word

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24 minutes, 26 secondsgot back to her father Desmond Thorp Dez was very upset about what had happened

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24 minutes, 31 secondsto brosin hunt and he was going to go to the police or other agencies about what

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24 minutes, 40 secondshad taken place Paul Clark and the rain Thorp decided that they couldn’t allow that to happen and that Desmond Thorp needed to

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24 minutes, 49 secondsbe silenced I think she got to the point where she had absolutely zero respect for her father because he’d become such

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24 minutes, 56 secondsa absolute drunk who was no longer in control of himself I think she got to the point that she thought she was Superior to

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25 minutes, 5 secondshim she was basically groomed by Paul Clark he made her feel special he made

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25 minutes, 12 secondsher feel strong and she saw him as strong and that made her resent her father further and made her disrespect him further I don’t think she had any

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25 minutes, 20 secondsrespect for him on the 10th of August Lorraine Thorp and Paul Clark took her father back to the flat where he was staying in Li it

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25 minutes, 29 secondsclose it would be the last time he was seen alive within the the very early hours of

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25 minutes, 37 secondsthe next morning ambulance attended in the dress in limr clo syip which where the body of Desmond thought was then

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25 minutes, 44 secondsfound lying on a sofa because of his poor health and lifestyle initially the police could not confirm that it was a murder scene

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25 minutes, 53 secondsdespite the terrible condition of his body but they soon found evidence which suggested foul scenes of crime searches that took place

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26 minutes, 2 secondsidentified a pillow or cushion in some bushes outside of a window of the

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26 minutes, 8 secondsflat that cushion had blood on it from Desmond thought the fact that it had been discarded was significant Lorraine

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26 minutes, 17 secondsThorp and Paul Clark left the limeri closed property shortly after Dez thorp’s time of death Paul Clark was

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26 minutes, 25 secondsseen by a police officer in a Road near nearby to that address and he was arrested and taken to whs police station

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26 minutes, 33 secondsat that time we traced Lorraine back to her mother’s address which was local in the town Ipswich police took Lorraine Thorp

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26 minutes, 43 secondsin for questioning she didn’t show any particular remorse around the death of Rosie hunt and completely denied any

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26 minutes, 52 secondsinvolvement in her father’s death she bragged about it she laughed about about it she laughed about the

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27 minuteslevel of violence they used against rosn hunt so she’s showing no empathy No Remorse and she’s only 15 so we can’t

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27 minutes, 8 secondslook at things like personality disorder but we can look at emerging negative personality traits and actually if we look at her she’s at the age where her

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27 minutes, 16 secondsbrain is developing and yet she’s in a toxic environment that is going to have a detrimental

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27 minutes, 23 secondseffect over the course of the inquiry evidence revealed that Desmond Thorp had been subjected to a level of brutality

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27 minutes, 30 secondssimilar to that of rosalin hunt and some of this had come from Lorraine herself in questioning she said you’ll find my

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27 minutes, 37 secondsfootprint on my dad she was referring to a trainer print found on her father’s head so she didn’t stand by and watch

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27 minutes, 45 secondsher father be killed she actively engaged in the violence towards her father the presence of a trainer print

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27 minutes, 53 secondson des’s forehead is indicative of the violence that they were content with using and

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28 minutes, 2 secondshow little they cared how can a girl like that that young age do something as

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28 minutes, 9 secondsserious and as bad and as cruel as this I was

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28 minutes, 24 secondsdisgusted on the 10th of August 2009 Lorraine Thorp and Paul Clark were arrested for the brutal murders of

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28 minutes, 31 secondsrosalin hunt and arin’s father Dez Thorp if convicted this would make Lorraine at

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28 minutes, 38 secondsjust 15 years of age Britain’s youngest female double

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28 minutes, 49 secondsmurderer in July 2010 Lorraine appeared at Ipswich Crown Court in a case that would shock the UK it really wasn’t

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28 minutes, 58 secondsuntil the trial that we learned just how violent and and almost sadistic rosalin’s death had

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29 minutes, 8 secondsbeen Paul Clark and Lorraine Thorp pleaded not guilty to the deaths of rosin hunt and Desmond

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29 minutes, 16 secondsThorp because the defendants were regularly present at all three of the crime scenes forensic evidence was of

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29 minutes, 23 secondslittle or no use it was more a case of trying to obtain

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29 minutes, 33 secondsthe best evidence from Witnesses the community of those who perhaps would normally have a great

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29 minutes, 40 secondsdistrust of the police I’m not a grass I’ve never grassed anyone up and I never [ __ ] would but a situation like

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29 minutes, 48 secondsthat we received a significant amount of information from people from within that wider group that Paul Clark and Lorraine

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29 minutes, 57 secondsThorp was part of as a result over the course of a 7-week trial the jury were asked to

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30 minutes, 4 secondsjudge witnesses that were alcoholics drug addicts and people with personality disorders making for a particularly

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30 minutes, 12 secondsfraught courtroom the atmosphere was tense because of the difference between the defendants in what their alleged

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30 minutes, 20 secondsroles may or may not have been

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30 minutes, 28 secondsthe first time I went to court I all I remember was Lon for laughing and

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30 minutes, 34 secondsgiggling to pul C as if it was a big big joke when somebody has got a diagnosis

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30 minutes, 45 secondsof ADHD if they stop taking the medication this will see an increase in the symptoms

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30 minutes, 52 secondsof irritability of lack of attention of lack of being able to think clearly

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31 minutesthere were elements during the trial of of involuntary laughter if you will no one stopped it no one stopped it at all

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31 minutes, 8 secondsI felt disgusted I felt like I wanted to jump over jump over and just whip her head off because of her diagnosis of

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31 minutes, 16 secondsADHD she was given regular breaks in terms of watching the court process she would start looking around

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31 minutes, 25 secondsthe court you would hear the giggles coming from her or Smiles or looking at people around the

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31 minutes, 33 secondscourt it was quite disrupting from that point of view as the trial progressed the details

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31 minutes, 41 secondsof the gruesome events that took place between the 2nd and the 10th of August 2009 were described to a horrified

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31 minutes, 49 secondscourtroom the level of violence was one of shock really to any public Gallery where persons were hearing that for the

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31 minutes, 56 secondsfirst time Lorraine chose not to give evidence so it was difficult to tell whether Lorraine showed any remorse in

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32 minutes, 5 secondsrelation to the murder of rosalin hunt the court heard that in questioning Lorraine denied the beatings at Mount baton Court took place and also denied

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32 minutes, 14 secondsever being present at Victoria Street but Witnesses said she was actively involved one claiming they’ heard her

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32 minutes, 21 secondsand Clark shouting repeatedly we’re going to kill you we’re going to kill you at rosalin during the attacks

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32 minutes, 29 secondswhen looking for a motive in this case the defense offered the suggestion that Paul Clark and Lorraine Thorp were angry

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32 minutes, 38 secondsat Rosalind because she kicked Paul’s dog but actually I think the motive goes deeper the prosecution put forward an

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32 minutes, 47 secondsalternative Theory the attack May well have been exacerbated by rosalin suggesting that

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32 minutes, 53 secondsshe was going to report her concerns about the welfare of Lorraine that’s going to terrify Paul Clark it’s

33:01

33 minutes, 1 secondalso going to terrify Lorraine Thorp because she doesn’t want this relationship to end whatever that relationship

33:09

33 minutes, 9 secondsis the police did attend rosalin’s property on the 17th of June 2019 looking for

33:16

33 minutes, 16 secondsLorraine Paul Clark was very annoyed that uh it had been identified that the rain was staying there and I think Rosie

33:24

33 minutes, 24 secondswas blamed for perhaps having told the agencies that’s where she

33:31

33 minutes, 31 secondswas I’d like to think that my sister was trying to get the WR for at this lifestyle that my sister had been

33:38

33 minutes, 38 secondsdragged into as a result Thorp had been briefly taken back into care before running away once again at the point

33:46

33 minutes, 46 secondsthat she thought she was going to get taken away Lorraine thought would have been devastated even though prior to that as a young child she desperately

33:53

33 minutes, 53 secondswould have wanted stability now she’d become embroiled in this lifestyle she liked the freedom she liked the lack of constraint she liked the fact that she

34:01

34 minutes, 1 secondwas with Top Dog Paul Clark she liked the fact that she was allowed to drink alcohol she felt a sense of power and

34:08

34 minutes, 8 secondsbelonging now and she didn’t want to lose that lifestyle where the second murder was concerned that of thorp’s Father Desmond

34:17

34 minutes, 17 secondsboth she and Clark claimed he died in his sleep after choking on his own vomit he was a very ill man in relation

34:26

34 minutes, 26 secondsto his extreme alcohol dependency and as such was very frail that of course had to be taken into account in terms of his

34:35

34 minutes, 35 secondsdeath and was there any possibility it was natural causes but the court heard evidence

34:41

34 minutes, 41 secondssupporting the police theory that he was

34:50

34 minutes, 50 secondssmothered as a result of the postmortem processes that took place it was identified that he had had a number of

34:59

34 minutes, 59 secondsbruisings within his inner bottom lip which would have been consistent with his lips being pressed hard onto his

35:07

35 minutes, 7 secondsteeth so effectively teeth marks uh on the inside of his lip another witness said that Thorp had

35:14

35 minutes, 14 secondsconfessed to killing her father because he was going to tell the police about rosalin’s murder and you would piss me off the most his Dez wouldn’t have [ __ ]

35:23

35 minutes, 23 secondssnitched it up he wouldn’t have he wouldn’t have grassed her up he wouldn’t have he wouldn’t have he really wouldn’t have he wouldn’t have to thought he wouldn’t

35:32

35 minutes, 32 secondshave at the end of the trial the key question for the jury at ipswitch Crown Court was whether Thorp as a minor under

35:40

35 minutes, 40 secondsClark’s control could be held responsible for her actions the defense at the court also

35:46

35 minutes, 46 secondssuggested that line thought had little chance of being a happy adult and it was always going to take someone like Paul

35:53

35 minutes, 53 secondsto manipulate and coers her into doing things that she didn’t want to do the judge was sure that Lorraine

36:02

36 minutes, 2 secondscould tell the difference between right and wrong whilst it’s very easy to see as a 15-year-old she was heavily

36:10

36 minutes, 10 secondsinfluenced by Clark the judge was very careful to still point out that she clearly had become accustomed to the

36:17

36 minutes, 17 secondsviolence that she had been exposed to within that drinking community on a daily basis so she might have been led a stde

36:27

36 minutes, 27 secondsbut I don’t believe that one little bit she knew what she was doing she had shown a willingness to act

36:37

36 minutes, 37 secondsindependently she enjoyed using violence found it

36:46

36 minutes, 46 secondsexciting I think personally that she was off a not and didn’t realize what was going on until it was too

36:54

36 minutes, 54 secondslate she knew it was wrong to beat up a vulnerable innocent woman she knew she

37:02

37 minutes, 2 secondsknew that was wrong but yet she got caught up in the moment she enjoyed

37:09

37 minutes, 9 secondsit the jury were finally sent out to deliberate it took them more than 17 hours pouring over the evidence that had

37:17

37 minutes, 17 secondsbeen presented to them over the 7-week trial to arrive at verdict for each case they were unanimous in their

37:25

37 minutes, 25 secondsdecision on rosalin Hunt’s murder and reached a 10 to2 majority on that of Desmond

37:32

37 minutes, 32 secondsThorp both were found guilty Paul Clark was sentenced to a minimum term of 27 years

37:39

37 minutes, 39 secondsimprisonment Paul Clark didn’t really want to know and refused to leave his cell when he was sentenced the judge

37:46

37 minutes, 46 secondstook into account the fact that Lorraine May well have been under the spell to a certain extent of Paul Clark but at the

37:54

37 minutes, 54 secondssame time he acknowledged that she could be cunning and manipulative despite her

38:02

38 minutes, 2 secondsemerging from such a chaotic background she developed that aggressive streak the rain Thorp taking account of her age was

38:10

38 minutes, 10 secondssentenced to a minimum term of 14 years imprisonment which I thought was unfair I thought she should have got the same

38:17

38 minutes, 17 secondsas Paul Clark the unnerving Revelation that a 15-year-old girl could be found guilty

38:25

38 minutes, 25 secondsof two such brutal murders one of which was her own father was a challenge for the people of ipswitch to come to terms

38:32

38 minutes, 32 secondswith and begged the question could this have been

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38:39

38 minutes, 39 secondsavoided I think this case really highlights the nurture aspect of behavior the judge in this case said

38:47

38 minutes, 47 secondsthat Lorraine thought was brought up without any concept of what’s right and wrong and that’s probably quite accurate if her parents were focused on drinking

38:54

38 minutes, 54 secondsalcohol and not taking care of her and those formative years you know the first 5 to seven years of a child’s life

39:01

39 minutes, 1 secondthat’s the blueprint of a young child’s way to act Society needs to have a look at

39:08

39 minutes, 8 secondsitself in this case and others where teenagers kill how as a modern society we allowed that to

39:16

39 minutes, 16 secondsoccur cental responsibility I’m afraid for me is one of the biggest contributing factors to why so many young young people do end up in in all

39:24

39 minutes, 24 secondssorts of horrific circumstances she’s goes to live with her mom and then ends up in her children’s home then is

39:32

39 minutes, 32 secondswith her father then is sofa surfing then is spending time with adult males drinking that is such an inappropriate

39:39

39 minutes, 39 secondsenvironment for a young girl and at that point in walks Paul Clark who is talking the talk protecting her and has a place

39:49

39 minutes, 49 secondsfor her to live I think anyone showing Lorraine some attention was going to she was going to be drawn towards that and

39:57

39 minutes, 57 secondsunfortunately as we know it wasn’t it wasn’t a happy relationship by any stretch the

40:06

40 minutes, 6 secondsimagination that child prior to getting involved in violence was let down by the

40:13

40 minutes, 13 secondsparents that should have protected her and by society that should have seen there was a vulnerable child being

40:20

40 minutes, 20 secondsabused and being neglected it would possibly have been different if someone had a picked her up at that time and maybe May removed her from that family

40:29

40 minutes, 29 secondshome at that tender age someone should have stepped in someone should have stepped in someone should have it’s one

40:36

40 minutes, 36 secondsof those cases that could have absolutely 100% have been

40:43

40 minutes, 43 secondsprevented in 2014 Paul Clark was found unresponsive with a ligature around his neck in his cell at [ __ ]

40:54

40 minutes, 54 secondsprison you had the Acy out you you wasn’t beaten you wasn’t SL you wasn’t

41:02

41 minutes, 2 secondstortured you had the yey way out you couldn’t do the prison time so you just chose the easy way

41:10

41 minutes, 10 secondsout if Lorraine Thorp is released at the end of her 14-year sentence she’ll still only be in her 20s with her whole life

41:17

41 minutes, 17 secondsahead of her whether that will happen though isn’t clear the judge stated she won’t be released until she is safe to

41:25

41 minutes, 25 secondssociety

41:36

41 minutes, 36 secondsyou would hope that there is every chance that she can be rehabilitated come to terms with what she did and can upon release become a

41:45

41 minutes, 45 secondsuseful person in society again of course there will never be any guarantees of that

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42:15

42 minutes, 15 secondsI often visit the grave and lay flowers on her

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42 minutes, 18 seconds[Music]

42:21

42 minutes, 21 secondsgrave went on the I side to the Grave to a headstone Rosy I can’t at you no

42:32

42 minutes, 32 secondsmore the Pain’s over they can’t get you no more

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