Aidan Zellmer Video

0:00Greetings citizens. Hey you. Hey you beautiful creepy human being you. And welcome to today’s true crime episode. I am so happy that you are here. I’m so

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17 secondsBritney or Brown or Sam whichever you prefer. And today we’re going to be discussing the horrific murder of 10year-old Kaia Campbell. But before we

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3 minutes, 13 secondsthis video is on a case out of Thornton,

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3 minutes, 15 secondsColorado. And Thornton, Colorado is about 30 minutes outside of Denver and has been said to be just like a really great place to live, offering a quote

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3 minutes, 23 secondshigh quality of life and a strong sense of community. It was here in 2017 that a 10-year-old girl went missing when she was out on a walk with her stepbrother.

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3 minutes, 32 secondsAnd though hundreds of people were out looking for her and this small community collectively put all their hopes, all their prayers, all their time and energy

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3 minutes, 40 secondsinto just trying to make sure that this sweet innocent girl would come home safe. Unfortunately, she was found murdered and she was murdered in such a

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3 minutes, 48 secondsbrutal and savage way. And then you take that and you add who did it, the motive or lack thereof, and it added a whole

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3 minutes, 56 secondsnew layer of shock and disgust to a case that was already unbelievable. So today I’m going to tell you the entire story.

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4 minutes, 2 secondsI read all the things so that you do not have to. And at the end of this video, I want you to answer the question of the day. I’m going to give it to you now so you can have it kicking around your brain as we go through the details of

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4 minutes, 10 secondsthis case. But of course, I want you to answer once you have something to go on. But the question of the day is this.

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4 minutes, 14 secondsIt’s it’s a really simple one. And it was, what do you believe was the true motive for the murder of Kaia Campbell? We haven’t gotten an answer.

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4 minutes, 24 secondsI’m sorry to spoil it um in any way or to to give away too much at the beginning of a video about the case, but we don’t know. So, I’m curious after you

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4 minutes, 31 secondshear the details. Why do you think this person did this to her? Let me know all your thoughts in the comments below because I am curious to hear what you have to say. And now, with all of that

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4 minutes, 39 secondssaid, come gather around and let me tell you the story of the murder of 10-year-old Kaia Campbell. Our story today is going to begin on June 7th,

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4 minutes, 48 seconds2017. And again, we’re in Thornton,

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4 minutes, 50 secondsColorado. And it’s on this day that just before midnight, a call comes in to 911.

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4 minutes, 54 secondsAnd the person on the other end of the line is a worried mother who’s telling the operator that two of her children are missing. The woman on the line’s

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5 minutes, 3 secondsname is Katie and she’s telling the operator that her 15year-old son Aiden and her boyfriend’s daughter, this was

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5 minutes, 10 seconds10-year-old Kaia, had been missing for 5 hours. They had left 5 hours earlier and had not come back. She said that her

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5 minutes, 18 secondsboyfriend and her son had gone out looking for the kids and wasn’t able to find them and said that her boyfriend was actually out again looking for the kids, but they were having no hope in

5:27

5 minutes, 27 secondsfinding them. So, officers were dispatched to their house. And they’re meeting with Katie. They’re getting all the information they can to try to find these kids because this was highly

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5 minutes, 35 secondsunusual for two kids to go missing together with no sign of them this late at night. You know what I mean? Like,

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5 minutes, 40 secondsthis would be a weird situation. But as Katie standing there with these officers giving them the information they need,

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5 minutes, 46 secondsher phone rings. The person on the other end of that call was her boyfriend. This was Jacobe. This was Ka’s father. And he was saying that while he was out looking

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5 minutes, 54 secondsfor the kids, he had found Aiden, but just Aiden. Kaia wasn’t with him. Ka was missing. And Aiden seemingly had no idea

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6 minutes, 4 secondswhat had happened to her. So Ka Ka May Campbell was one of two children. She had a brother named Alexander. and she

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6 minutes, 12 secondswas born on August 22nd, 2006 in Wheat Ridge, Colorado to parents Jacobe and Shantel. So, Jacobe and Shantel did not

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6 minutes, 20 secondsstay in a relationship. I don’t know the specifics of what happened between the two of them and honestly, it’s not super important to the case that we’re

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6 minutes, 29 secondsdiscussing. So, I didn’t feel the need to try to dig into their lives because again, like what happened between them doesn’t have to do with what happened here. But what I can say is that for

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6 minutes, 36 secondswhatever reason, the relationship didn’t work out. And at the time that this case took place, Kaia was with her dad and I believe Alexander was with his mom. At

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6 minutes, 46 secondsthe time she lost her life. Ka was 10 years old. She was a fifth grader at Monarch Montasauri in Denver, which was

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6 minutes, 53 secondsa quote environment in which a child could continue to grow within the Montasauri practice from infancy through fifth grade. So she was in fifth grade.

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7 minutes, 2 secondsThis was her last year at Monarch Montasauri. She was said to excel at school and she was said to be a quote

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7 minutes, 10 secondsbeacon of compassion and benevolence to everyone around her. She was said to be a very open child, the type of child who

7:18

7 minutes, 18 secondswas always smiling. Those who knew and loved her said that Kaia was most herself and sparkled the most when she

7:25

7 minutes, 25 secondswas singing, dancing, or in front of a camera. And this is something that you can actually experience a little bit in hindsight, which is a beautiful thing,

7:34

7 minutes, 34 secondsI’m sure, for her family that get to sit back and re-watch videos of her, but also a tragic thing for those who don’t know her. It might be tragic for her

7:42

7 minutes, 42 secondsfamily, too. I can’t say. I can only say how I felt. But Kaia had a YouTube channel, and I did find this YouTube channel, and you can watch it, and you

7:50

7 minutes, 50 secondscan kind of see how she was and who she was in in like a little blip in time.

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7 minutes, 55 secondsAnd it’s it’s so it was sad for me to watch her and to think that she’s she’s no longer here. She’s the same age as somebody who’s important to me. So it

8:03

8 minutes, 3 secondsjust it just hits a little bit different. And on the YouTube channel,

8:06

8 minutes, 6 secondsshe’s just like she’s a little she’s a little kid, you know? She’s on there and she’s talking about slime and doing random challenges and opening up and

8:14

8 minutes, 14 secondsshowing off her Pokémon cards. She was just like a 10year-old little girl. I was able to find her channel and I was

8:21

8 minutes, 21 secondsable to watch some of her videos and see how she moved and sounded and you know how she was and it’s it’s enough to break your heart. She just sounded so

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8 minutes, 29 secondssweet and just young and innocent and she was she was just a little girl who loved her families and owls and her

8:37

8 minutes, 37 secondsfamily said she was strong and courageous and the type of kid who would help anyone in need. She had charismatic energy and a passion for life that she expressed through many different ways,

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8 minutes, 47 secondsbut most notably through music. Her love of music came mostly through her parents, her aunt, and her cousin. But

8:54

8 minutes, 54 secondsshe did love music. And something that was written in her obituary that really touched my heart was when her family

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9 minutes, 1 secondwrote of this quote. The songs she loved, the songs she sang will forever be a soundtrack to our lives. So, what

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9 minutes, 11 secondshappened to this sparkling child? Let’s get into that now. So, in June of 2017, when this happened, as I said before,

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9 minutes, 19 secondsKaia was staying with her father. She was with her father and they lived in a house that was in Thornton, Colorado.

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9 minutes, 25 secondsAnd in this house, in this house, they lived in this house with Jacob’s girlfriend. This was Katie and her two sons. Two of her sons also lived there.

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9 minutes, 33 secondsThese were twin boys named Aiden and Ethan. Now, you’ll hear Katie, the girlfriend, you’ll hear her refer to

9:40

9 minutes, 40 secondsKaia as one of her kids in the 911 call when she called to report that they were missing. This is assuming you listen to that 911 call. If you do, you’ll hear

9:48

9 minutes, 48 secondsher refer to Kaa as one of her kids, but this wasn’t necessarily true. Ka was not in any way related to Katie. Katie and

9:56

9 minutes, 56 secondsJacobe weren’t even married. From what I read, I don’t believe their relationship was even very long-term. It was rather new. But that didn’t mean that they

10:05

10 minutes, 5 secondsweren’t serious because they were serious enough to live together. They all shared a home that was located at the

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10 minutes, 11 seconds12400 12,400 block, there you go, of Forest Drive in Thornton. And that, my friends, even if it is new, sounds pretty serious. So anyways, on June 7th,

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10 minutes, 22 secondsKa and her quote unquote stepbrother, you know, they live together. They were, you know, you know,

10:28

10 minutes, 28 secondsyou know what he was. Uh, they decide they’re going to This was Aiden, just so I’m clear, cuz there’s Aiden and Ethan.

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10 minutes, 33 secondsKa and her stepbrother Aiden decided that they were going to walk to the store to buy Kaia some more Pokemon

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10 minutes, 40 secondscards. So basically what happened here is Aiden had taken like a day or two before Aiden had taken some of Kaia’s

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10 minutes, 48 secondsPokémon cards and had been like flicking them at the wall and bent some of them and like ruined some of them. So they were going to go to the store so he could buy more to replace them for her.

10:57

10 minutes, 57 secondsand he said that she wasn’t upset about this, which was actually a little bit surprising cuz this girl loved Pokémon cards. She had a big old stack of Pokémon cards and those were like

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11 minutes, 5 secondssomething she was very into. She showed them off on her YouTube channel. But according to Aiden, she wasn’t upset about this. And that’s because he was going to replace them. There was a

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11 minutes, 12 secondsproblem though, and that’s that Aiden had no money. He’s 15. He doesn’t have a job, and he has no money. So, he comes up with this plan that they’re going to

11:20

11 minutes, 20 secondsgo well that he’s going to go in his initial plan. He was going to go to the store and shoplift a couple packs of Pokémon cards to give to Ka. But when she went found out what his plan was,

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11 minutes, 30 secondsshe decided that she wanted to go along.

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11 minutes, 32 secondsSo, this is what they were planning to do when they left the house the day that she disappeared. So, with that, they go to Katie. They ask if they can leave to

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11 minutes, 39 secondsgo on this walk. Katie calls Jacobe and is like, “Hey, is it cool if Ka goes out on a walk?” He presumably says yes

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11 minutes, 46 secondsbecause the two kids head out. When Kaia and Aiden got to the store, they found that stealing these Pokémon cards was not going to be an easy task. And that’s

11:55

11 minutes, 55 secondsbecause somehow in the last couple years, apparently Pokémon cards have like popped off again, which is very random, but also kind of cool. I was I

12:03

12 minutes, 3 secondshad my binder. Do you guys know if you around if you’re about my age, you know the binder with the sleeves with all the Pokémon cards? I definitely had one. Did

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12 minutes, 10 secondsI know how to play with them? No. But I had them and they were cool. And apparently they’re popping off again. So when Ka and Aiden got to the store, they

12:19

12 minutes, 19 secondsfound that the cards were now kept like locked up. You couldn’t just get them.

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12 minutes, 22 secondsYou had to ask somebody to get them for you so that kids wouldn’t steal them and adults wouldn’t steal them to like sell them. Or I guess maybe these adults are

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12 minutes, 30 secondsstealing them to play them. Like I don’t know. You’re like go off with your Pokemon card playing and self if that is you. But the point is the cards were locked up so they couldn’t steal them.

12:39

12 minutes, 39 secondsSo at that they said like book this and Aiden decided instead of stealing Pokemon cards he was going to fill his jacket full of candy. So he did that and then they left. They were only in that

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12 minutes, 48 secondsstore about 10 minutes. Their next plan was to go to another store nearby and go there and try to steal the Pokémon cards. But it was June so it was hot outside and Kai’s like, “I am thirsty.

12:59

12 minutes, 59 secondsYou shouldn’t say this but you didn’t steal me any water, bro. Like I’m thirsty.” So they decide to go back to the house so they can get some water.

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13 minutes, 6 secondsThey get to the house. They get a backpack. They gets like a jug of water.

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13 minutes, 9 secondsThey put it in the backpack. They give one of the pieces of stolen candy to Ethan, Aiden’s brother, who did not join them. And then they head back out. So,

13:18

13 minutes, 18 secondsthe second time these kids left the house to go out to like go to the second store, it was about 7:00 7:30. So, Katie

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13 minutes, 25 secondswas not expecting them to be gone very long. There was no reason why they should be out of the house very long.

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13 minutes, 30 secondsThey were just going to the store. The store was called King Supers, which I had never heard of before, but it is a quote American supermarket chain located

13:38

13 minutes, 38 secondsin the Rocky Mountains. It’s owned by Kroger, so Ralph’s Food for Less King Supers. Great. All good and well. But

13:46

13 minutes, 46 secondsagain, it didn’t need to take very long to make this trip. So, it definitely didn’t need to take 5 hours cuz remember, by the time they call 911,

13:53

13 minutes, 53 secondsit’s been 5 hours. So when Ethan goes to Katie after a little bit of time or a lot of bit of time and it’s like, “Hey,

14:01

14 minutes, 1 seconduh, Aiden and Ka still aren’t back,”

14:03

14 minutes, 3 secondsthey went into panic mode. They got in the car, they went out and they started looking for these kids. They drove around the neighborhood, they went to nearby stores, they went to King Supers,

14:12

14 minutes, 12 secondsthey went to a nearby Walgreens, and they weren’t finding any sign of the kids. So after looking for a while and having no success, they went home. They

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14 minutes, 20 secondscalled the police. This is right before midnight. and they reported that the two kids were missing. With that, police arrived and some officers left to start

14:28

14 minutes, 28 secondslooking for the kids, as did Jacobe and Ethan. They went out to look for the kids as well, while Katie stayed there with the officers and started giving the

14:35

14 minutes, 35 secondsgiving them the information that they needed. I’m trying to slow down my speech. I know I get so many comments that I’m talking too fast, but my brain

14:44

14 minutes, 44 secondsjust goes. My brain just goes. Did you know if you’re one of the people that think I talk too fast, one, you’ve probably already clicked off. But two,

14:52

14 minutes, 52 secondsif you’re enduring me, you can change my speed. You can slow me down. Or if your brain moves really fast like me, you can

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15 minutesspeed me up. Just so you know, what was I saying? Oh, Katie, she stays back at the house.

15:07

15 minutes, 7 secondsShe’s giving the officers the information that they need. And then her phone rings and the person on the other end of the line is Jacobe. And Jacobe is

15:15

15 minutes, 15 secondstelling her that he found Aiden. He found Aiden walking along Fairfax Street just south of 128th Avenue. But again,

15:22

15 minutes, 22 secondsit was just Aiden, not Ka. So Aiden was quickly dropped off at home and police kept looking for Kaia. But within no

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15 minutes, 30 secondstime, the police ended up picking Aiden back up and driving him around on a cruiser, take having him take them to the spots he had been with Ka before

15:38

15 minutes, 38 secondsfinally they took him to the police station to give an official interview because they wanted to get some sort of information from him that was concrete

15:46

15 minutes, 46 secondsthat could help them try to locate this little girl. I mean, it’s the middle of the night. They have nothing to go on.

15:51

15 minutes, 51 secondsand Aiden’s initial story that he and Kaia had gotten separated from one another during a rainstorm just didn’t

15:59

15 minutes, 59 secondsreally make sense to them. It wasn’t adding up. In the meantime, though,

16:03

16 minutes, 3 secondssearch parties were put together to try to find Ka and missing person’s flyers were made and posted everywhere. There

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16 minutes, 10 secondswere so many people, hundreds of people who met at Sky View Elementary and were searching for Kaa along with more than

16:18

16 minutes, 18 seconds20 police agencies. The description that they gave out to the public for them to,

16:23

16 minutes, 23 secondsyou know, be looking for with photos and all that was she was about 5’4″, 150 lbs with blonde hair and blue eyes, and she

16:31

16 minutes, 31 secondshad last been seen wearing an orange Manning Broncos shirt with light blue pants. So, back to Aiden. He’s with

16:38

16 minutes, 38 secondspolice and he’s told he’s told he’s told them. Great. Pretty much everything that I told you about the Pokemon cards and

16:46

16 minutes, 46 secondsgoing to Kaya. Going to Kaya. Going with Ka. This is going well. Speaking is good. I’m good at it. Anyways, um he

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16 minutes, 53 secondstells them everything that I told you so far about going to the store with Ka to try to steal Pokémon cards. He admitted

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17 minutesto that, about that being something that was unsuccessful. about going back home to get water, giving the candy to Ethan,

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17 minutes, 7 secondsand then going back out. And he tells them that they walked to another store,

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17 minutes, 11 secondstried again to steal cards, but was again unsuccessful. Aiden said after that they were walking for a while. They came to an area where local kids had

17:19

17 minutes, 19 secondsmade some forts. Apparently, this is a place where like the kids hung out. He he said they or did he say he? He maybe they hopefully not they smoked a

17:28

17 minutes, 28 secondscigarette. And then they continued to walk a while near a creek. And this is when they noticed that above them were

17:35

17 minutes, 35 secondsdark looking rain clouds. Was it perhaps Winnie the Pooh painted with mud holding a balloon? I don’t know. Probably not.

17:43

17 minutes, 43 secondsBut he said he notices some dark colored clouds and he’s like tutt. It looks like rain. So he turned on to the Heritage

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17 minutes, 52 secondsTrail walking path that was at about 129th and Colorado Boulevard tied under some branches. But he said that Kaia was

18:00

18 minutesimpatient. And so after just a few minutes when the rain didn’t start up,

18:04

18 minutes, 4 secondsshe wanted to start heading home. She didn’t want to stay there. She wanted to try to just go back and make it home before the rain started. But Aiden, as we already said, he said he wanted to

18:12

18 minutes, 12 secondswait it out. Now, from here, this is where his story gets a little bit weird, okay? Cuz he says that they’re there. They’re hiding beneath the branches.

18:19

18 minutes, 19 secondsThey wait and the rain actually does start up. And then for some reason, even though he was trying to avoid the rain altogether, and she was trying to get

18:27

18 minutes, 27 secondshome before the rain started, they waited for the rain to die down a little bit, but not completely stop and then proceeded to walk out in it. They didn’t

18:36

18 minutes, 36 secondswait it out. They didn’t go into one of the nearby businesses to try to to get dry cuz they’re like in a place where like people exist. They’re not out in

18:44

18 minutes, 44 secondsthe middle of nowhere. But instead, they start walking in the rain headed towards the house. He says at this point Ka is

18:51

18 minutes, 51 secondslike right with him. He like behind him where he isn’t like staring at her but she’s with him and then all of a sudden she just wasn’t. He said that she just

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18 minutes, 58 secondsvanished into thin air. Had no idea where she went or why she would have left him. Now by this time it was dark so it’s possible that something could

19:06

19 minutes, 6 secondshave happened and he wouldn’t have seen it. But he did describe it as her being like right there and that she was gone in like a split second. And he also said

19:14

19 minutes, 14 secondsthat like this was an area, a neighborhood that she didn’t know. He added that like he didn’t think he said anything to upset her. They weren’t

19:22

19 minutes, 22 secondshaving a fight. There was nothing that would make him think that there was an issue between the two of them that would make her want to leave. But he did also make a point to say that she was a

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19 minutes, 30 seconds10-year-old girl and sometimes they’re crazy and get mad about dumb things. He said that once he realized that Kaia wasn’t with him, he went back to the

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19 minutes, 38 secondsarea that they had been and he started to look for her. He said he went into the neighborhoods and he called out her name. He looked in like wide open spaces

19:46

19 minutes, 46 secondsto see if he could locate her, but he didn’t find her. He said that he looked at her for like looked at her, looked for her for like 30 to 45 minutes, but when he still wasn’t able to find her,

19:57

19 minutes, 57 secondsthat’s when he decided to head home. And after a little bit of time of walking home, that’s when he ran into Jacobe,

20:03

20 minutes, 3 secondswho took him home. And you know, now we’re back to where we started or

20:12

20 minutes, 12 secondsNow we’re back at the house because Jacobe took him back to the house.

20:16

20 minutes, 16 secondsGreat. So at this point, police push him because what he is saying doesn’t make sense obviously. They tell him like, “So you’re telling us that she disappeared

20:23

20 minutes, 23 secondsby herself just randomly in an area where there were like a lot of businesses around. Again, they weren’t in the middle of nowhere. So you’re

20:31

20 minutes, 31 secondssaying that just walking down this road with all these businesses to the left of you. All these businesses to the right of you. I don’t know if they were really on the right and the left, but businesses all around them. You’re

20:40

20 minutes, 40 secondssaying that she just disappeared and that when she lost you, she didn’t just go into one of these businesses and try to get help. Like, she didn’t have a

20:47

20 minutes, 47 secondscell phone. Neither of them actually had cell phones. Or rather, Aiden had one,

20:50

20 minutes, 50 secondsbut his have been taken away for disciplinary reasons, which we’ll get into shortly. But she did know Jacob’s phone number, and she did know because

20:58

20 minutes, 58 secondsobviously that’s her father, right? She knew Jacob’s phone number. She knew Katie’s phone number. So, there’s no reason why she wouldn’t call for help because by this time, by the time that

21:05

21 minutes, 5 secondsthey’re having this interrogation and you and I are talking about it, it had been 8 hours. 8 hours since Aiden had

21:12

21 minutes, 12 secondslast seen Kaia and she hadn’t contacted anyone. No one had heard from her. None of this made any sense. Ka was 10 years

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21 minutes, 20 secondsold. That is a literal child. Okay? And she disappears in a neighborhood where,

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21 minutes, 25 secondsas Aiden said, she didn’t know this neighborhood. She didn’t know where she was. She wouldn’t know how to get home in the dark. And she wasn’t like the type of kid who would have a reason to

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21 minutes, 33 secondsrun away. Like she was seen as a happy child. She got along with Katie. She got along with the boys. She liked and got along with her father. She loved her her

21:41

21 minutes, 41 secondsbiological brother. She was seen as a happy child with no reason to like run away. But you know, from Aiden’s perspective, he just said that he didn’t

21:50

21 minutes, 50 secondsknow where she was. And even though he acknowledged that she would be scared,

21:54

21 minutes, 54 secondsshe’d be out there scared and alone and would be the type of child to ask for help, he couldn’t explain why she hadn’t yet. Now, I don’t know if you’ve caught on to the vibes here, but at this point,

22:05

22 minutes, 5 secondsthe police are definitely thinking that 15-year-old Aiden knows more than he is telling them, and they actually think that he may be responsible for Kaia’s

22:14

22 minutes, 14 secondsdisappearance. And that’s because they knew during much of this interview that he had been lying. Okay? Among other things, they had had him sit down and

22:21

22 minutes, 21 secondsdraw a map for them twice of where he and Kaia had been that day. And remember, he had already been out driving with them and showing them. And

22:29

22 minutes, 29 secondspolice had been out there with sniffer dogs. And her scent was inconsistent. It wasn’t consistent. They weren’t able to track her with these dogs. And that

22:37

22 minutes, 37 secondsmeant that Aiden was likely lying because they had many sniffer dogs out there and none of them could track her.

22:44

22 minutes, 44 secondsAnd really, how could a billion sniffer dogs be wrong? Another thing that police noticed that Aiden wasn’t being truthful about was that when he was initially

22:52

22 minutes, 52 secondsquestioned, like in the beginning of his interrogation, his questioning rather,

22:55

22 minutes, 55 secondsbecause I don’t know when it switched from questioning to interrogation, but when he was first questioned, they asked him about the clothes he was wearing.

23:01

23 minutes, 1 secondAnd he told them that everything he was wearing except for his jacket was what he had been wearing when he was out with Ka. But they had looked at surveillance

23:09

23 minutes, 9 secondsfootage from the store that he did end up going to, and they found that this wasn’t true. He wasn’t wearing the same things. And in addition to that, the shoes he was wearing. He’s saying that

23:17

23 minutes, 17 secondsthese are the shoes he had been wearing when he was out with Kaya. But they look at the shoes and they’re like, “You were out walking in the rain and somehow your shoes are totally clean.” And you might

23:26

23 minutes, 26 secondsbe thinking, “Rain, water washes away things, right? Great. This makes a lot of sense. But also, have you ever walked out in the rain through fields? You’re

23:35

23 minutes, 35 secondsgoing to come back and there’s going to be mud and grass stuck all over your shoes.” Like, I don’t know about you,

23:39

23 minutes, 39 secondsbut that’s always what happens to me if I walk through rainy grass. And if that’s not convincing you, there was other stuff as well. Okay, for example,

23:46

23 minutes, 46 secondsyou remember how I said that Aiden told police that after they went and got the water, they went back out. They went to another store and they were unsuccessful

23:55

23 minutes, 55 secondsat stealing Pokémon cards, right? You would think like, why would you lie about that? Well, maybe to explain where you were during a time when you may have been doing something else because the

24:04

24 minutes, 4 secondspolice went to the store. They checked the surveillance camera footage and Kaia and Aiden weren’t on it. They checked

24:11

24 minutes, 11 secondsfrom 5:00 p. p.m. to 11:00 p.m. and Kai and Aiden were nowhere to be found.

24:16

24 minutes, 16 secondsOkay. So, they take this information to Aiden and they go to him and they’re like, “Hey, uh, you’re not on the surveillance camera at the store where you said you went. Care to explain

24:24

24 minutes, 24 secondsyourself?” And he’s like, “You know, I don’t know how to prove to you I was there. Maybe you need to check the cameras for different times and you’ll find us.” But the thing is, they

24:32

24 minutes, 32 secondswouldn’t because Ka and Aiden never went there. Eventually, the cop gets to the point where he’s not beating around the bush anymore and he just looks at Aiden.

24:38

24 minutes, 38 secondsHe says like, “Hey, did you do anything to Kaa?” And Aiden responds with, “Why would I do anything to Kaa?” And the cop

24:47

24 minutes, 47 secondsat this point is like, “I just asked you if you did. Why are you answering a question with a question? Why are you answering a question with a question?”

24:55

24 minutes, 55 secondsAnd asked him again, “Did you do anything to Kaa?” And Aiden responded,

25:00

25 minutesquote, “No, I didn’t do a single thing to Ka.” From this point, they keep questioning him, and they’re asking him different types of questions. Now

25:08

25 minutes, 8 secondsthey’re asking him if he’s angry, if he has homicidal thoughts, if there was anybody that he knew who would tell them that he had expressed having homicidal

25:16

25 minutes, 16 secondsthoughts. And you could tell that he was irritated and he seemed scared. And he was scared because he was then asked by police like, “Are you worried about Ka?”

25:24

25 minutes, 24 secondsAnd he said like quite honestly, I’m actually worried about myself. I’m worried about myself and Ka. So the cop asked him like, “Why are you worried

25:32

25 minutes, 32 secondsabout yourself?” And Aiden responds with, “This is a bad situation and it looks bad as hell. Like, no one knows

25:38

25 minutes, 38 secondswhere Kaia is, and you all seem to think I had something to do with it.” And you know what? His feelings weren’t that far

25:46

25 minutes, 46 secondsoff. At this point, the cops give him a break. And when they bring him back in,

25:49

25 minutes, 49 secondsthey try appealing to him. They talk to him about his mom. They ask him if he cares about his mom, and they tell him like, “Your mom’s broken up. Your mom is

25:57

25 minutes, 57 secondsfreaking out, having no idea where Ka is.” And then they bring up Jacobe and Aiden literally says like, “I cannot

26:04

26 minutes, 4 secondseven imagine how Jacobe must be feeling right now.” And then the cop asks him like, “Well, what about you? How are you feeling?” And he kind of had a weird

26:13

26 minutes, 13 secondsanswer. He said that he was upset, of course, like he who wouldn’t be upset thinking about her out there all alone and scared and unfound, but said that it

26:22

26 minutes, 22 secondswasn’t really something that was weighing very heavily on his mind and his heart. And then the cop asked him like, “Well, what about if we don’t find

26:30

26 minutes, 30 secondsher? like, “Do you care if we find her or not?” And he said, “Like, of course, if you don’t find her, I’ll be upset,

26:35

26 minutes, 35 secondsbut I won’t be as upset as somebody who cares about her more than I do,” which seems like an honest answer, but it doesn’t seem like the type of answer

26:43

26 minutes, 43 secondsthat anyone who wasn’t guilty would give. That’s something that I can say.

26:46

26 minutes, 46 secondsPolice then start asking him questions that again definitely show that they believed he was responsible at this point. They ask him about his anger

26:54

26 minutes, 54 secondsissues. They ask him if he had ever hurt anyone. They ask him if he was to hurt somebody, how he would do it. And he says a fist fight. He says a fist fight

27:02

27 minutes, 2 secondsis the only way he knows to hurt another person, but made sure to let you know that like he hadn’t been in a fist fight in quite some time. It had probably been

27:10

27 minutes, 10 secondsa month or two. And he says that’s because he had been really good lately at controlling his anger. He would stuff it down, have a

27:18

27 minutes, 18 secondscry, and just be done with it. Though we do find out that that’s not entirely true, the him getting control of his anger and stuffing it down and crying

27:27

27 minutes, 27 secondsand that being it. But we’ll talk about that shortly when we talk about him and him like talking to his mom or you know, let’s actually just talk about it now.

27:34

27 minutes, 34 secondsSo during this interview, Aiden gets to the point where he’s frustrated and he tells the cop like, “Can I be done with this conversation? I’ve told you the

27:41

27 minutes, 41 secondssame thing seven times now, and I get your frustration, but I’m also frustrated being here having to repeat myself over and over.” And the cops tell

27:49

27 minutes, 49 secondshim like, “We’re not going to let you go right now.” He tells them like, “I feel like you are just wasting my time.

27:55

27 minutes, 55 secondsYou’re wasting your time. Everyone’s time is being wasted by questioning me.” And at that point, they decide like,

28:01

28 minutes, 1 second”Hey, let’s bring in his mom.” And they bring in Aiden’s mom to try to soften him a bit and get him to be more forthcoming with information, basically.

28:10

28 minutes, 10 secondsNow, Aiden immediately becomes a puddle with his mother. you see him like melt into the tabletop and just start talking

28:17

28 minutes, 17 secondsto her. And he tells her how frustrated he is and how he doesn’t understand why they would think he had something to do with why Kaia was gone and tells her

28:25

28 minutes, 25 secondslike they don’t believe me. And his mom had an interesting response to this. She says to him like, “Hey, maybe your

28:32

28 minutes, 32 secondshistory is why they aren’t believing you.” And she says that she’s not trying to be mean to him. She’s just being

28:39

28 minutes, 39 secondshonest. So, now we can get into Aiden’s history, which is a bit layered. Aiden had been to Jefferson Hills before,

28:47

28 minutes, 47 secondswhich he later admitted to in a polygraph. And Jefferson Hills is a center that quote provides behavioral health care services for children,

28:56

28 minutes, 56 secondsyouth, and their families in Lakewood, Colorado. While there, according to him,

29:01

29 minutes, 1 secondhe was diagnosed with ADHD, major depression, major emotional disorders,

29:05

29 minutes, 5 secondsand anger issues. And when asked what makes him angry, he just said that his life was pretty bad. Too much had

29:13

29 minutes, 13 secondshappened to him and it just made him angry. For years, Aiden had been going to therapy consistently both in home and

29:20

29 minutes, 20 secondsalso in centers. And he said that it was really helping him that he was able to not get angry as much or as angry as

29:28

29 minutes, 28 secondsoften. He wouldn’t have outbursts. He wouldn’t break things. He said now he would walk off and sit by himself and get control of his emotions and his

29:37

29 minutes, 37 secondsactions despite the fact that a few months prior to this he had stopped taking his medication. Now Aiden didn’t

29:45

29 minutes, 45 secondspersonally mention this during the interview. a lot of the stuff he did volunteer, you know, openly. But in looking into his records, they were able

29:53

29 minutes, 53 secondsto find that Aiden hadn’t been totally truthful about the issues he was suffering and when they happened. Aiden

30:01

30 minutes, 1 secondhad a lot of issues and they weren’t just issues from his past like he would like to make people believe or like he wanted to make the cops believe.

30:08

30 minutes, 8 secondsAccording to his records, he had recent violent outbursts. He had blackmail behavior, anger, and aggression. And

30:16

30 minutes, 16 secondsapparently it was bad enough that the woman from social services who was the point of contact when getting this information said that though she was not

30:23

30 minutes, 23 secondsAiden’s case worker just from reading his file. She was very shocked that Katie would have allowed her son to go

30:30

30 minutes, 30 secondson a walk alone with a 10-year-old girl at all. She said she found that to be shocking. Which speaking of Katie, let’s

30:37

30 minutes, 37 secondsgo back to the interrogation room with her and Aiden and the conversation they’re having. She asked them like,

30:43

30 minutes, 43 seconds”Did you and Kaia do anything you shouldn’t do? Did you smoke? Did you drink? Did you steal? Like, did you do something that you may be afraid to get in trouble for?” And that’s because one,

30:53

30 minutes, 53 secondsshe knows her kid, right? She knows her kid. And two, when Ethan was talking to police, Ethan, Aiden’s brother, was talking to police um about where Aiden

31:01

31 minutes, 1 secondand Ka might have been. He said that it was possible they were out, I believe he called it car hopping, which is basically where they just go and like

31:09

31 minutes, 9 secondstry to open unlocked cars or open car doors and see if they’re unlocked. And if they were, they’d go into the cars and steal all the

31:16

31 minutes, 16 seconds[ __ ] which I’m like, I know people do that. I didn’t know kids did that, but I guess that is kind of a childish thing to do. So, it makes sense that would be

31:25

31 minutes, 25 secondssomething that children would do. But everything that Katie threw out to Aiden, like, did you do this? Did you do this? Did you do this? He denied it.

31:32

31 minutes, 32 secondsStill, she asked them though, like, “Are you sure? Are you sure that there’s nothing that you and Ka did that she’s afraid she’ll get in trouble for, which would make it that she wouldn’t come

31:39

31 minutes, 39 secondshome?” And he says, “No.” And then she asks him if he needs a hug. And he literally like crawls into her lap and

31:46

31 minutes, 46 secondsjust melts into her. Anyways, police get permission from Katie and Aiden to take Gaza’s clothes and also to take saliva and fingernail scrapings. And Aiden,

31:56

31 minutes, 56 secondsbeing a child, you know, not knowing much about this, asks his mom like,

31:59

31 minutes, 59 seconds”What’s all that?” or and she said to like check your clothes and check everything to make sure there’s no blood on them. They also agree to let Aiden

32:07

32 minutes, 7 secondstake a polygraph test. And this is about the time where things start to heat up a little bit. Not just in the fact that he’s taking a polygraph test and they’re going to know whether or not he’s lying,

32:16

32 minutes, 16 secondsbut also in some discoveries that they make around this time. This is when Aiden told the poly polygraph examiner

32:23

32 minutes, 23 secondspolygrapher. This is when Aiden told the person running the polygraph machine all about his therapy and his anger issues

32:32

32 minutes, 32 secondsand his outburst. And this is when he also, while hooked up to a machine,

32:37

32 minutes, 37 secondsretold the story of when Kai went missing for an hour. After telling his story of what happened, the poligrapher

32:45

32 minutes, 45 secondslady person left the room to go and talk to other detectives, leaving Aiden alone. And what he didn’t know is that

32:53

32 minutes, 53 secondsthey were out there and there was a big development in the case, but he again doesn’t know that. So he’s in the room and he’s just thinking about how he performed on that polygraph test. And I

33:02

33 minutes, 2 secondsfeel like perhaps he knew that he had lied and that things were going to show that he had lied. So it dawned on him that he should maybe change his story a

33:09

33 minutes, 9 secondslittle bit. So he goes and he flags down an officer and the officer comes in and he tells them like, “Okay, there’s something I feel like I need to say that I didn’t say during my telling of what happened.” The officer’s like, “Bet.

33:19

33 minutes, 19 secondsWhat is it?” And he tells them that the night that Kaia went missing, she didn’t just disappear without him knowing. He

33:26

33 minutes, 26 secondsleft her alone on purpose. He tells this officer that Kaia was really annoying him. That this 10-year-old girl was

33:34

33 minutes, 34 secondsannoying to him, which is like news flash,

33:37

33 minutes, 37 seconds10-year-olds are annoying. Yes, but you you need to take care of them. Okay.

33:41

33 minutes, 41 secondsAnyways, he says that she was annoying him. So, he left her alone at Kico,

33:44

33 minutes, 44 secondswhich is a gas station. And the cop’s like, “Okay, thank you for telling me this. I need you to sit tight and tell the poligrapher this because like this

33:53

33 minutes, 53 secondsis what you know she’s here for. You need to tell her this. So he sits there and he waits and 15 minutes goes by and he like loses it a little bit. He’s like, “I can’t do this. I can’t sit here

34:01

34 minutes, 1 secondanymore. I can’t wait anymore. I need to go to sleep. I need to get out of here.” And the cop tells him like, “Just wait.

34:06

34 minutes, 6 secondsI need you to wait until she comes back.” And so he sits and within minutes she does come back. But it wasn’t coming back with news that was going to make him feel better at all. This officer,

34:17

34 minutes, 17 secondsthis polygraph administer officer, this woman, takes him into a different room than he had been in before, sits him

34:25

34 minutes, 25 secondsdown and tells him that he failed. And she’s like, “Listen, we both knew that you were going to fail, but I have even

34:32

34 minutes, 32 secondsworse news than that.” And this is when she tells him that they had found Ka’s body. They had found her body in a green

34:40

34 minutes, 40 secondsbelt area, which is a quote designated area of undeveloped wild or agricultural land surrounded or neighboring urban

34:49

34 minutes, 49 secondsareas, which is so heartbreaking. I can’t imagine being this family. I can’t imagine being a member of this community

34:57

34 minutes, 57 secondswho had rallied together so hard to try to find her and then learn that she had been murdered. And one woman who had taken part in the searches for Kaia,

35:06

35 minutes, 6 secondsthis was a lady named Laura, said of this quote, “My heart’s breaking for their family. She’s only 10 years old.

35:13

35 minutes, 13 secondsNobody expects to lose a child. I was really hoping that she’d still be alive.” And Jacob’s brother, so Ka’s

35:21

35 minutes, 21 secondsuncle, this was Thomas, said that like he really hopes his brother doesn’t blame himself for what happened. But

35:27

35 minutes, 27 secondslike as a parent, I can 100% see how you would blame yourself whenever anything bad happens to your child. And I’m sure it adds another layer to it for him,

35:38

35 minutes, 38 secondsknowing that him and his relationship with Katie and the two of them living together gave his child’s killer access to her. I

35:47

35 minutes, 47 secondsI can’t imagine what that feels like for him. Even though it’s obviously not his fault, I can’t imagine how guilty he feels. Now, I do want to backtrack a

35:54

35 minutes, 54 secondslittle bit here to when they first realized that Ka was missing so that we can discuss how she was found. As soon as they realized that she was missing,

36:03

36 minutes, 3 secondspolice immediately had started looking for her. It was night by this point and she was 10 years old and there were several bodies of water nearby. So, they

36:12

36 minutes, 12 secondswere concerned that it was possible that she could have been like swept away in a flash flood since there was a storm that night. So, they searched all throughout the night, but there was no sign of her.

36:22

36 minutes, 22 secondsBy 1:30 p.m. the next day, an Amber Alert was issued in this cage. Which actually did surprise me because I was under the impression, I’ve always been

36:31

36 minutes, 31 secondsunder the impression that in order for an Amber Alert to be issued, there is certain qualifications that need to be met regarding the disappearance, like

36:39

36 minutes, 39 secondsthe description of a car or a suspect in the disappearance. I could be wrong here. I I must be wrong here considering an Amber Alert was issued in this case.

36:48

36 minutes, 48 secondsYou’ll have to let me know cuz I know so many of you are so smart.

36:52

36 minutes, 52 secondsyou’re great. Um, but that was my understanding. So, I was surprised to see that an Amber Alert was issued, but one was, but it didn’t end up mattering because within 4 hours it was cancelled.

37:02

37 minutes, 2 secondsBut 5:30 p.m. the Amber Alert was cancelled. And that’s because sadly Ka’s body was found face down in a drainage

37:10

37 minutes, 10 secondsditch. A 911 call came into police from a man who said he was just out on a walk with his family. He was out with his

37:19

37 minutes, 19 secondswife and his kids when he stumbled upon something that no person, no family, no kids should ever stumble upon. And he calls 911 and he literally says to them,

37:29

37 minutes, 29 secondsquote, “Yeah, I think the little girl that’s missing in Thornton, I think my wife and I and our kids just found her.”

37:37

37 minutes, 37 secondsThe operator then asks him like, “Okay,

37:39

37 minutes, 39 secondsare you in contact with her?” And that’s when he sort of stumbles over his words and says that no, he’s not in contact

37:46

37 minutes, 46 secondswith her because unfortunately he didn’t think she was alive. And he told the operator that she was face down in this ditch and that a lot of her clothes were

37:55

37 minutes, 55 secondsoff. So police rushed to the scene and they met up with the man who made the 911 call who led them to where he had found her body. And it was pretty

38:04

38 minutes, 4 secondsquickly determined that this had to be Ka. She couldn’t officially be identified that quickly, but it was kind of like, okay, how many missing

38:12

38 minutes, 12 seconds10-year-olds are there out there that fit this description from this area. So,

38:17

38 minutes, 17 secondsit wasn’t until the next day that she was officially identified. And she was officially identified and the coroner stated that her death was listed as

38:24

38 minutes, 24 secondssomething other than accidental, but within no time that was changed to homicide. And that’s because they had determined that this little girl had

38:33

38 minutes, 33 secondsbeen beaten to death. Okay. During her autopsy, it was confirmed that her cause of death was blunt force trauma to the

38:40

38 minutes, 40 secondshead. And the doctor said that the bruises were circular and may have been caused by something like a hammer. And it gets worse from there because when

38:48

38 minutes, 48 secondsshe was found, and she was found about a mile away from where Aiden said they had been, remember she’s face down in the stitch and she is undressed. This man

38:57

38 minutes, 57 secondssaid that she was undressed and he was correct. Her This It makes me so [ __ ] angry cuz she’s just a little girl, man.

39:05

39 minutes, 5 secondsher her pants and underwear were down.

39:07

39 minutes, 7 secondsHer pants are around her ankles. Her underwear were around her thighs and her shirt was pushed up to her shoulders. So obviously, police were

39:17

39 minutes, 17 secondsgoing to be swabbing her for DNA because they very seriously suspect that sexual assault was part of this crime. But back

39:24

39 minutes, 24 secondsto Aiden, police are sitting with him and they’re talking to him and they’re like, “Listen, like it’s over, dude.

39:29

39 minutes, 29 secondsLike, I appreciate that you’ve had a hard time. I appreciate that you’re sitting here and you’re with us and you’ve been talking to us, but this is when you need to start talking more. You

39:38

39 minutes, 38 secondsneed to tell us what happened. The cop tells him, this like lady cop tells him like, listen, there’s an explanation for everything. And it’s at this point that

39:46

39 minutes, 46 secondshe starts to panic. It’s like he’s finally realizing that they know he did it.

39:52

39 minutes, 52 secondsOkay. And he freaks out and he tells like, “Wait, wait, wait. Are you saying that I’m the one who did it? Are you saying that you think I’m the one who

40:00

40 minutesdid it?” Immediately he loses it. He starts crying. He starts asking them what happened. He starts asking them to confirm that she was dead. And he seems

40:09

40 minutes, 9 secondsvery convincing actually, which is horrifying. But he does. And he just keeps asking them like, “What’s happening?” The cop continues trying to

40:18

40 minutes, 18 secondsget him to give more information and trying to continue with the interview and tells him like, “Here, listen. This is what I think happened. I think that

40:25

40 minutes, 25 secondsyou stopped taking your medication and I think that you haven’t been feeling like yourself for a while now. And immediately he interjects. He’s like,

40:32

40 minutes, 32 seconds”Oh my god, like you guys think I did it. I didn’t. I didn’t.” He denies it over and over and over. They then tell

40:39

40 minutes, 39 secondshim that they have surveillance footage of him and Ka walking towards the area where her body was found and then just

40:47

40 minutes, 47 secondshim walking back by himself. And they weren’t in the area that he said they had been. They were in the area where her body was found. They had gotten

40:54

40 minutes, 54 secondsfootage from several cameras around the area to put together their timeline. And they tell him, “We know you were together.” And then shortly thereafter,

41:02

41 minutes, 2 secondsyou weren’t together anymore. And he’s like, “I know. I told you I left her there on purpose. She was so annoying.

41:08

41 minutes, 8 secondsShe was just talking about all the things she wanted.” And then just starts asking like, “What’s going to happen to me?” Don’t they always ask that once

41:17

41 minutes, 17 secondsthey get caught? I feel like what was it? Jennifer Pan. Like, but what’s gonna happen to me? He had very much the same sentiment. It’s like, you’re going to get to to live. You’re going to get to

41:25

41 minutes, 25 secondscontinue living because nobody killed you. That’s what’s going to happen to you, Aiden. No matter what this cop tried, Aiden just denied it, though. He

41:34

41 minutes, 34 secondssaid he didn’t do anything. He said he just left her. He said that he’d admit everything he lied about, but said he never hurt her. And then cried and said,

41:43

41 minutes, 43 seconds”Why would I ever hurt her? Why would I do that?” He then tells the cop he doesn’t want to talk to them anymore. He wants to be left alone. And she asks

41:50

41 minutes, 50 secondslike, “Do you want your mom?” and he says yes. Once his mom comes in, he does break down further and he says like over and over, “They think I did it. They

41:58

41 minutes, 58 secondsthink I did it.” He’s like, “They found her body and they think that I killed her.” And you see them, they end up sitting like in a ball on the floor like completely wrapped up in each other. And

42:06

42 minutes, 6 secondsshe’s just holding him. And he asks his mom like, “What’s going to happen to me?

42:10

42 minutes, 10 secondsThey think I did this. This is something I’d never do.” And she looks at him and she’s just like, “Listen, you’ve lied to them over and over. How do you think this looks?” And he just says that he

42:19

42 minutes, 19 secondsdidn’t think it was going to go down like this. He thought that she was going to find her way home and then he cried and he asked like, “How did she die?

42:26

42 minutes, 26 secondsWhat happened to her?” And she just said that she didn’t know. And again, he’s very convincing. I mean, I know a mother

42:33

42 minutes, 33 secondscan sometimes tell when their kid is lying, but I would have trouble if there wasn’t all this evidence that clearly shows he did it in that interview. I

42:41

42 minutes, 41 secondswould have trouble believing he did it because he did seem so convincingly upset and adamant that he didn’t. But it just goes to show that like people’s

42:49

42 minutes, 49 secondswords don’t match up with the things that they do. And it does seem like she did get to a point where she started to wonder if he was being truthful because

42:57

42 minutes, 57 secondsafter some time together, she does ask him if he had anything to do with what happened to Ka. And of course, he swore over and over that he didn’t. And I’ve

43:06

43 minutes, 6 secondsseen a lot of criticism online about Katie for several different reasons. her attitude towards her son during the

43:12

43 minutes, 12 secondsinterrogation, her emotion or like lack thereof of lack thereof of emotion. She

43:19

43 minutes, 19 secondsjust didn’t seem as engaged with him as you may think one would be in this situation. She was on her phone a good amount. She didn’t seem particularly

43:27

43 minutes, 27 secondsshocked to learn that her son was arrested for something like this. Didn’t seem shocked to learn that Ka was was

43:35

43 minutes, 35 secondsdead. Again, we’re just seeing her in the interrogation room, though. We’re not seeing her when she finds out from police that this was true. But people take issue with that, you know, they take issue with the amount of time that

43:43

43 minutes, 43 secondsshe was on her phone instead of paying attention to her kid. They take issue with the fact that they believe, they don’t know because we weren’t there, but they believe it’s possible that she

43:51

43 minutes, 51 secondsdidn’t tell Jacobe how serious Aiden’s mental health issues were. I mean, if the social worker was shocked to hear

43:58

43 minutes, 58 secondsthat Aiden would be alone with a 10-year-old girl, they wonder if if Katie would have mentioned to Jacobe how dangerous he may be to a 10-year-old

44:06

44 minutes, 6 secondsgirl. And you know, obviously you’ll have to let me know what you think about that. I I don’t know how I feel about

44:15

44 minutes, 15 secondsthat. What I can say, at least when it comes to like her calmness and her reaction to the fact that her son is being accused of this, is being

44:23

44 minutes, 23 secondsquestioned about this. I’m not even going to touch the did she tell Jacobe or not cuz like I don’t know and I don’t want to speculate about that. But when it comes to the other part and just her

44:31

44 minutes, 31 secondsdemeanor in general, I feel like one thing that we can say that’s safe to say is like no one knows how they’re going to react in a situation like that. I

44:40

44 minutes, 40 secondsfeel like nobody can know how they’ll react when they hear that their kid may have murdered another kid for no reason.

44:47

44 minutes, 47 secondsAnd I don’t know if they told her about the sexual assault part, but that too,

44:50

44 minutes, 50 secondsit’s like how can you know how you’re going to react? Like you could never imagine that your kid would do something like that. that the baby that you birthed and then you held and then you

44:59

44 minutes, 59 secondsloved and then you watched when they first smiled and every single thing that they did and how smart they were and how perfect they were that then they grow up and they do something like this. I don’t

45:07

45 minutes, 7 secondsknow how I would act. I don’t think I would be calm and like chill but we don’t know. But you’ll have to let me

45:15

45 minutes, 15 secondsknow how you think about what you think about it and what you think about everything else cuz I am curious cuz it is very divisive. People do have strong opinions about it. I don’t personally

45:23

45 minutes, 23 secondshave strong opinions about it, but you’ll have to let me know what you think about that. And then also everything else when it comes to whether or not she told Jacobe and it’s just it

45:31

45 minutes, 31 secondsif she didn’t, it’s like it’s so like gh. Anyways, at this point, Aiden and Katie decide that he’s done talking to

45:39

45 minutes, 39 secondspolice without a lawyer present, which truly probably should have never talked without a lawyer present. I would never talk to the police without a lawyer,

45:47

45 minutes, 47 secondsperiod, ever. Luckily, it hasn’t come up, but I would always get a lawyer. But even if I’m innocent, especially if I’m innocent, always.

45:57

45 minutes, 57 secondsGreat. They decide they’re not going to talk without a lawyer present. And the cops sit down with them and are like,

46:01

46 minutes, 1 second”Okay, well, here’s how things are going to move forward. We would like to take a sexual assault exam of Aiden to see whether or not he sexually assaulted

46:10

46 minutes, 10 secondsKa.” And Katie agrees to let them do this, which makes me believe that she didn’t really think her son was involved is the vibe that I got. But I who knows.

46:17

46 minutes, 17 secondsI can’t say. We can’t say. Only she can say. And she hasn’t said from what I’ve read. So she agrees to this. And when Aiden asks like why they’re doing this,

46:25

46 minutes, 25 secondshe she straight up tells him like they’re checking to see if he raped her.

46:28

46 minutes, 28 secondsAnd he’s like he acts shocked like why would I ever do this? But when they checked his body and they looked at his body, they found injuries on him that

46:35

46 minutes, 35 secondswould be cons consistent with Kaia fighting back to this type of attack.

46:40

46 minutes, 40 secondsNow when this exam had to be done, it did have to be done at a hospital. So they had to wait for Aiden to be transported to a hospital to have this done. And in the meantime, he did sit in

46:48

46 minutes, 48 secondsa room with his mom and a few more things were picked up on the interrogation footage because they were in a room where things were being recorded. And while he sat with his mom,

46:56

46 minutes, 56 secondsshe and he talked about how sad it was.

46:58

46 minutes, 58 secondsLike he talked about how sad it was that she had lived such a short life because she was only 10 years old. And he also

47:05

47 minutes, 5 secondstalks about he asked his mom like if Jacobe had to go to the scene and identify her body which is like a dude like we we know that these types of

47:13

47 minutes, 13 secondsthings have to happen that people have to identify the bodies of people who died but like it’s so [ __ ] up that that’s a reality that somebody would

47:20

47 minutes, 20 secondshave to do when it comes to their kid. I don’t think I’d survive that. I truly don’t think I would. Eventually though Aiden was transported to the hospital

47:28

47 minutes, 28 secondsand the sexual assault exam was administered to him. Right. Cuz I said that they found marks on his body. So this happened and afterwards he was sent

47:36

47 minutes, 36 secondsto a social services facility instead of going home with his mother and this was at his mother’s request. Why this was we

47:43

47 minutes, 43 secondscan only speculate. I feel like perhaps it has something to do with the fact that he would be going home to the same house where Jacobe was. I am just speculating here but I would think that

47:52

47 minutes, 52 secondsperhaps you wouldn’t want your son to do that. But either way it didn’t matter cuz he wasn’t going to be in this social services facility very long anyway. The DNA found on Kaia was a match to Aiden.

48:03

48 minutes, 3 secondsAnd they got DNA from her in several different places like under her fingernails among other places. And for

48:10

48 minutes, 10 secondsone of the samples, the probability of selecting an unrelated person at random from the population having a profile

48:19

48 minutes, 19 secondsthat matched was approximately 1 in 6ilion. And the other sample probability of selecting an unrelated person at

48:27

48 minutes, 27 secondsrandom that was a match was approximately one in 42 septilian. So all of that is to say it

48:34

48 minutes, 34 secondswas him. Still though he denied involvement and they already had a pretty strong case against him. But

48:41

48 minutes, 41 secondsabout a month later they would get a tip that would solidify their case even more and help give them additional information that they didn’t already have. Basically what happened is a kid

48:50

48 minutes, 50 secondscame forward and this kid is somebody who was in the same juvenile detention center that Aiden was in. And this kid came forward and said they wanted to

48:57

48 minutes, 57 secondsspeak with someone at the DA’s office because they had some information. And this information came from when Aiden

49:04

49 minutes, 4 secondsconfessed to him what he had done. This kid sits down and tells police that Aiden confessed to him that he had used

49:12

49 minutes, 12 secondsa metal pipe to beat Ka. This is graphic, so if you want to skip like 20

49:19

49 minutes, 19 secondsseconds, 15 seconds, I would suggest doing so because it was hard to read.

49:24

49 minutes, 24 secondsIt’ll be hard to say. It’ll be hard to listen to. But he said that Aiden beat her so viciously that he was able to see her brain through her skull fracture.

49:35

49 minutes, 35 secondsAnd still he proceeded to beat her. Once he was done beating her, he then drugg her down to that area in the creek where

49:42

49 minutes, 42 secondsshe was found. Now, could this kid be lying? I mean, he went to the DA.

49:46

49 minutes, 46 secondsPerhaps he wanted to help himself out with a deal. I can’t say for sure, but what I can say is that the things that he was telling police did line up with

49:53

49 minutes, 53 secondsthe evidence from Ka’s murder. Ka had abrasions on her skin that were consistent with being drugged and there were drag marks in the nearby foliage,

50:02

50 minutes, 2 secondswhich had led police at the time that they were assessing the scene to believe that she had been drugged, just like this kid was saying she was drug. He

50:09

50 minutes, 9 secondsadded that after Aiden told him what he did, Aiden said that he blacked out and he didn’t remember anything, which was weird for this kid to hear because Aiden

50:17

50 minutes, 17 secondshad just recalled what he did in great detail. But either way, this is what he said. He blacked out, which is convenient. People always do be blacking

50:25

50 minutes, 25 secondsout when it’s convenient. Um, but he said that Aiden said that he didn’t think anybody saw him, didn’t see what he did, so he ran home. And his plan was

50:33

50 minutes, 33 secondsto run away. He was going to leave, but then the police showed up, so he didn’t have a chance. The cop then asks him if

50:40

50 minutes, 40 secondsAiden had mentioned anything about blood, anything like that, and was pretty vague. But the kid ended up answering with a question that was

50:47

50 minutes, 47 secondsbasically exactly what this officer was sort of baiting him to to answer. Like he gave him the information he was

50:54

50 minutes, 54 secondshoping for. And the kid said that Aiden did say that he was worried that police may find blood on his shoes, but that he

51:02

51 minutes, 2 secondshad tried to get all the blood off. And it turns out there was blood on Aiden’s shoes. Police found blood on the laces

51:09

51 minutes, 9 secondsof his shoes and also on the clothing that Aiden was wearing at the time of his arrest, which consisted a shirt that I just I just must tell you about. It

51:18

51 minutes, 18 secondswas a t-shirt. It was black with space on it. And Deadpool, you know, the character Brian

51:27

51 minutes, 27 secondsReynolds, Deadpool riding a unicorn and around him are chimchongas/ burritos and

51:34

51 minutes, 34 secondstacos flying in space. And it says maximum effort. Now these clothes do not

51:40

51 minutes, 40 secondsmatter. But once I saw the shirt, I felt I could not move past it. And the point of all this is to say

51:49

51 minutes, 49 secondsthat the blood on the shoes and the blood on the clothes that Aiden was marrying, marrying, wearing,

51:55

51 minutes, 55 secondswearing, it was matched to Kaya. Now the officers ask this kid the question that all of us have, that they have, that I have, that you have, and it was why. Did Aiden say why he would do this to Kaa?

52:08

52 minutes, 8 secondsAnd the kid just said that Aiden said he had had a lot of stuff going on in his life. He had a lot of stuff on his mind and it built up and he just let it all

52:17

52 minutes, 17 secondsout on her. And he said that Aiden didn’t particularly like Kaa. He didn’t like her. He didn’t like her family and he didn’t like her dad. And sadly,

52:25

52 minutes, 25 secondsthat’s really like the only explanation that we get as to why Aiden did what he did to Kaa. like when he was first being

52:32

52 minutes, 32 secondsquestioned by police before he knew they were on to him. They asked about his relationship with Ka and he said that it was fine. He said they mostly got along.

52:40

52 minutes, 40 secondsThey weren’t super close. They didn’t like talk about personal things, but they were civil. He didn’t have much to say about her at all negatively. He did

52:49

52 minutes, 49 secondssay that there were a little bit of growing pains in the beginning getting used to each other. Like one example he gave is that one time he got caught being high by his mom and when Ka found out she was like, “Ooh, call the cops.”

52:58

52 minutes, 58 secondspops and has caused like a little like argument. But that was pretty much it.

53:02

53 minutes, 2 secondsThe only other thing he said was that one time Kaia had made him mad and he thought about hitting her and called her a pig, which don’t call girls pigs.

53:11

53 minutes, 11 secondsDon’t call people pigs. It’s so rude.

53:13

53 minutes, 13 secondsBut that he didn’t hit her. That that’s all he did. He thought about it. He didn’t hit her and that he had never hit a girl before. But we now know that that’s not true because he hit Ka and he hit her several times with a [ __ ]

53:24

53 minutes, 24 secondsmetal pipe. Dude, he literally beat this little girl as she fought back, getting several defensive wounds in the process,

53:31

53 minutes, 31 secondseven a torn fingernail, until he hit her five times in her head before dragging her to that ditch and leaving her there

53:38

53 minutes, 38 secondsto die. They believe based on the evidence they have, which consisted of several statements from residents who lived near the area where Kaia’s body

53:47

53 minutes, 47 secondswas found, that the murder happened between 8:30 and I believe 9:45. And that’s because in talking to

53:54

53 minutes, 54 secondsthese residents, they heard that they had heard the sound of a child crying out around that time. So they took that

54:02

54 minutes, 2 secondsthe sound of a child crying plus the camera footage they had that showed them walking to the area and the time that they were there to let them know to like

54:10

54 minutes, 10 secondsput together they put together that they believe that these cries that the neighbors heard were Ka. Now the metal pipe of it all, a metal pipe was never

54:17

54 minutes, 17 secondsrecovered from the scene where Kaya’s body was found. And when police went out and searched for it, they were not able to locate it. What they did do is they went to Aiden’s house and they looked.

54:26

54 minutes, 26 secondsThey didn’t find any metal pipes,

54:27

54 minutes, 27 secondsthough. What they did find was several hammers, but when they checked these hammers, none of them were a match to the wounds that Ka had sustained. But just because the cops didn’t find it,

54:37

54 minutes, 37 secondsdidn’t mean that it wasn’t recovered.

54:39

54 minutes, 39 secondsBecause as soon as Ka’s family, her mother and grandfather, found out about this pipe theory, they actually went to the area and searched themselves. They

54:48

54 minutes, 48 secondswent near the crime scene and in the densely cuz it was like dense. This where she was was like a lot of greenery and in this greenery near the crime

54:54

54 minutes, 54 secondsscene they found a pipe a metal pipe laying in the grass. So immediately they called the cops. The cops came and picked it up as evidence. So Aiden was

55:04

55 minutes, 4 secondsarrested and the next evening the police gave a press conference where they announced that somebody was arrested for the murder of Ka, but they didn’t

55:12

55 minutes, 12 secondsrelease Aiden’s name because he was a minor at the time. Though it didn’t take people long to put together who it was because there are people who knew Kaen,

55:20

55 minutes, 20 secondsknew the case, knew the families, knew Aiden knew he was arrested, and were able to quickly put together that the

55:27

55 minutes, 27 secondsperson who was arrested was Aiden. Aiden was charged in juvenile court with the first-degree murder of Kaia Campbell.

55:33

55 minutes, 33 secondsBut that same day that the charges were announced, the DA came out and said that they were going to do everything they could to get this case moved to adult court. The DA literally said of this,

55:44

55 minutes, 44 secondsand I quote, “In 27 years as a prosecutor, I have never seen a 15-year-old commit such a violent act.

55:51

55 minutes, 51 secondsHe wanted to do this. His actions clearly dictate that he intended to kill her, and it took quite an effort to do

55:59

55 minutes, 59 secondsit.” And then to conceal it, not only to hide the body, but mislead certainly indicates that his brain was developed

56:07

56 minutes, 7 secondsand he knew what he was doing. The DA also added, quote, “15year-olds make bad decisions, but they don’t commit cruel,

56:16

56 minutes, 16 secondsheinous crimes like this. After striking her five times in the head with a metal pipe, he left her in a field. When he

56:25

56 minutes, 25 secondstalked to police, he was calm, cool, and collected, he misled, and deceived police who were looking for her. This is

56:32

56 minutes, 32 secondsa rare case. Thank God we don’t have other 15year-olds doing what he did.”

56:38

56 minutes, 38 secondsSo, he wanted Aiden tried as an adult and he was going to get his wish because months later, I believe it was in the beginning of 2018, they announced that

56:47

56 minutes, 47 secondshe would be being tried as an adult. And he wasn’t only charged as an adult for her murder, he was also charged as an adult for her sexual assault, which that

56:56

56 minutes, 56 secondsrevelation was shocking for a number of reasons, right? But particularly for the family because like when Katie was being questioned by police when the kids were

57:05

57 minutes, 5 secondsfirst missing and they knew that Aiden and Ka were missing, the cops asked her if there was anything weird going on between Aiden and Kaia. Like was there

57:13

57 minutes, 13 secondsany weird inappropriate you know you know you know and she was like no like absolutely not. Like Ka was 10 years old. She was coming into her body.

57:23

57 minutes, 23 secondsthings were changing for her and she wasn’t at the point yet where she was like great at grooming herself cuz she’s 10 years old. So Aiden often noted made

57:32

57 minutes, 32 secondsa point to note how she was gross and how she smelled like he never expressed any interest in her in that way. But now

57:40

57 minutes, 40 secondshe was being charged with sexually assaulting her. But you know sexual assault isn’t often about attraction.

57:47

57 minutes, 47 secondsAnd I think that’s the distinction here is it doesn’t matter if he was attracted to her because that’s not what it’s always about. But anyways, I don’t even want to talk about that too much because

57:54

57 minutes, 54 secondsit [ __ ] just grosses me out and makes me so angry. Let’s go back to the DA. So the DA was pretty gung-ho about wanting

58:01

58 minutes, 1 secondto go hard at Aiden. but in the ended up offering him a plea deal. But before offering Aiden this deal, he did go and

58:10

58 minutes, 10 secondsspeak with Kaia’s family and explained to her family that like because of his age when he committed the crime, even if he was found guilty, he would be

58:17

58 minutes, 17 secondseligible for parole after 40 years and said that in taking the deal that he was offering, it would make it so that Aiden

58:24

58 minutes, 24 secondscouldn’t be acquitted, which I don’t think he would have been. I think the evidence was pretty strong, but this is what the conversation was. After

58:32

58 minutes, 32 secondsspeaking to Kaia’s family, he offered Aiden a deal where Aiden would plead guilty to the murder of Kaia, but in exchange, all the other charges against

58:41

58 minutes, 41 secondshim, including the charge for sexual assault, would be dropped. And he offered Aiden this plea deal for two

58:48

58 minutes, 48 secondsmain reasons. One, they said the evidence they had against Aiden for the sexual assault was not as strong as the evidence they had for the murder anyway.

58:56

58 minutes, 56 secondsAnd two, he said while in prison, he wanted Aiden to be able to participate in a program at the Colorado Department of Corrections for young killers. And

59:05

59 minutes, 5 secondssexual offenders are not eligible for this program, which I understand why a program like this could be so important for Aiden to take, especially if

59:13

59 minutes, 13 secondsrehabilitation is ever going to be on the table and rehabilitation could be on the table for him because even if he was convicted without the deal, he would have the opportunity for parole at 40.

59:22

59 minutes, 22 secondsSo, we want to make sure that when he’s or in 40 years, we want to make sure that when that happens, he’s not going out as a dangerous person. But then I

59:30

59 minutes, 30 secondsthink about how Kaia was found, how her clothing was found, how her pants and her underwear and her shirt. And at first, when I first started reading

59:38

59 minutes, 38 secondsabout this case, I was like, “Oh, you know, maybe it’s possible that while being drugged, her clothes got disheveled because that does that can happen. We’ve heard about that happening

59:46

59 minutes, 46 secondsor we’ve heard people claim that that’s what happened.” But her clothing went in two different directions. Her pants and her underwear were down. Her shirt was

59:55

59 minutes, 55 secondsup. I can’t see how that could happen by being drugged. And I just hate it. I

1:00:02

1 hour, 2 secondshate it. I hate the idea that he could have done something to her, that he could have sexually assaulted her before, during, after, whatever, and

1:00:11

1 hour, 11 secondsthat he wouldn’t be held accountable for that. Because sexual predators, and I’ve said this before, it’s a different kind of scary. It’s a different kind of

1:00:19

1 hour, 19 secondsdangerous to me, but I’m not the one who makes the call. The DA is, and this is the call the DA made. So, he accepted this deal and he plead guilty. And at

1:00:27

1 hour, 27 secondsthe time this happened, the courtroom was packed. There were many members of Ka’s family who were there wearing teal and pink because those were her two

1:00:34

1 hour, 34 secondsfavorite colors. and they sat beside or behind rather the prosecutor as they listened to Aiden’s defense attorney who

1:00:42

1 hour, 42 secondswas clearly emotional while giving the statement talk about Aiden’s mental health struggles, about his troubled family history, and about alleged abuse

1:00:51

1 hour, 51 secondsagainst him. During this hearing, there were videos of Kaia played where she was singing and she was dancing. And these are the same videos that her mother

1:00:59

1 hour, 59 secondsplays in her home on repeat whenever she feels like she misses her daughter and can’t take it, which is more often than

1:01:06

1 hour, 1 minute, 6 secondsnot. Now, I wasn’t there, so I can’t say for sure, but Kaia’s mother, Shantel,

1:01:11

1 hour, 1 minute, 11 secondssaid that Aiden never showed any emotion, never took any responsibility,

1:01:15

1 hour, 1 minute, 15 secondsnot even when he, a now 17-year-old version of himself, said to the court,

1:01:20

1 hour, 1 minute, 20 secondsquote, “I plead guilty.” A statement that made his mother absolutely sobb.

1:01:25

1 hour, 1 minute, 25 secondsThe judge spoke to Kaia’s family directly when she said that she knew that there was nothing she could say that would bring them any comfort or take away the pain that they were

1:01:33

1 hour, 1 minute, 33 secondsfeeling. But she said that she hoped that the community coming together to try to find Ka and the community that’s going to help remember her brings them

1:01:42

1 hour, 1 minute, 42 secondssome sort of solace. She then spoke to Aiden directly when she said that only he can define the person that he will become. And if he wants to prove

1:01:50

1 hour, 1 minute, 50 secondseverybody wrong about him, it’s going to take accountability and a lot of work.

1:01:54

1 hour, 1 minute, 54 secondsWith that, a now 17-year-old Aiden Zelmer was sentenced to 40 years to life in prison. The beginning part of his sentence would be served in juvie, and

1:02:03

1 hour, 2 minutes, 3 secondsonce he turned 18, he was moved to an adult prison. Aiden will be eligible for parole when he’s just 56 years old. And

1:02:11

1 hour, 2 minutes, 11 secondsthat’s assuming there’s no reductions for good behavior, which is something that he and his family are hoping for because with that he could be out when he’s just 46 years old, which does not

1:02:21

1 hour, 2 minutes, 21 secondsseem like enough time to me, especially not for a crime that could have been sexually motivated. But the DA said that he believes the crime punishment fits

1:02:29

1 hour, 2 minutes, 29 secondsthe crime. He just does. He said of the sentence, quote, “A 10-year-old’s life is gone and her parents are going to be without her for the rest of their lives.

1:02:36

1 hour, 2 minutes, 36 secondsSo, I think there’s a sense of relief that they have some closure in the criminal justice center. But nothing we do here today is going to bring them

1:02:44

1 hour, 2 minutes, 44 secondsabsolute relief for what happened to their daughter, which is true, but I think they’d feel better if he was in jail

1:02:52

1 hour, 2 minutes, 52 secondslonger. And her mother feels the same way, dude. She doesn’t think that 40 years was enough time. She doesn’t understand how this 15-year-old child

1:03:00

1 hour, 3 minutescould kill her kids so brutally and then just continue to lie about it and lie about it so convincingly. That’s

1:03:07

1 hour, 3 minutes, 7 secondsfrightening. Okay. She said like no mother should ever have to hear how her child was brutally beaten. And I agree.

1:03:15

1 hour, 3 minutes, 15 secondsBecause of Aiden, Ka is gone. She was a child and she’s gone forever and nothing can change that. And just like her

1:03:25

1 hour, 3 minutes, 25 secondsfamily said, 10 wonderful years with Kaia Campbell was not enough. And with

1:03:33

1 hour, 3 minutes, 33 secondsthat, that, my friends, is the story of the murder of Kaia Campbell. I hope that what I said was informative. I hope I gave you all the information you would

1:03:40

1 hour, 3 minutes, 40 secondswant when looking into this case. And of course, I just want to thank you for remembering Kaia with me today. Now,

1:03:45

1 hour, 3 minutes, 45 secondsconsidering everything I told you throughout this video, I want to revisit the question of the day, and that was this. What do you believe was the motive for Aiden to murder

1:03:53

1 hour, 3 minutes, 53 secondsKaa, my mind immediately goes to the sexual assault aspect, and it freaks me out to my core. But I’m curious to hear what you guys think. If you think there

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